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Old 04-19-2019, 09:51 AM
 
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Sanders introduced a recent Medicare for All plan. He's just about the only one taking it seriously.
Well if it involves being forced to participate at gunpoint, Im not really interested in his dream.
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Old 04-19-2019, 09:54 AM
 
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Well if it involves being forced to participate at gunpoint, Im not really interested in his dream.
Don't. I really don't care.
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Old 04-19-2019, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Costs need to be addressed. No question about that. It's largely why Obamacare is a failure at doing what was promised.
You favor a government determining the fee for service, the private sector can charge?
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Old 04-19-2019, 10:06 AM
 
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You favor a government determining the fee for service, the private sector can charge?
If need be.

One would hope that it wouldn't be necessary but greed will most likely see to it that it is.

Type 1 diabetes has become a more costly disease to manage, thanks in large part to insulin costs nearly doubling over five years.

"You literally have a captive, near helpless customer base when it comes to Type 1 diabetics and insulin," said Niall Brennan, CEO of the institute. "There are few if any segments of the American economy where a manufacturer could raise prices by 92% and have people consume the same quantity of that product."

https://www.modernhealthcare.com/art...-care-spending
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Old 04-19-2019, 10:18 AM
 
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If need be.

One would hope that it wouldn't be necessary but greed will most likely see to it that it is.

Type 1 diabetes has become a more costly disease to manage, thanks in large part to insulin costs nearly doubling over five years.

"You literally have a captive, near helpless customer base when it comes to Type 1 diabetics and insulin," said Niall Brennan, CEO of the institute. "There are few if any segments of the American economy where a manufacturer could raise prices by 92% and have people consume the same quantity of that product."

https://www.modernhealthcare.com/art...-care-spending
Of course the answer to being held captive by one manufacturer is to allow for increased competition. ending patents and deregulating the industry would be a good place to start.
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Old 04-19-2019, 10:21 AM
 
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You favor a government determining the fee for service, the private sector can charge?
Works real well in Canada. The fees are negotiated with the healthcare providers. Nurses and LPN's are as a rule better paid than in the USA.

And Canadians live longer, spending 1/3 less as a percentage of GDP on healthcare. I have friends and relatives in both the Canadian and USA systems. The ones who are knowledgeable of both (and not driven by agendas) prefer the Canadian one. Healthcare professionals in Canada have no problem working in the USA, yet they stay.

There is a reason for that.
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Old 04-19-2019, 10:21 AM
 
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Of course the answer to being held captive by one manufacturer is to allow for increased competition. ending patents and deregulating the industry would be a good place to start.
Fine with me but if not............(not agreeing to complete deregulation as greed will not allow that to happen either)
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Old 04-19-2019, 10:24 AM
 
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Medicare for all... with an optional Opt Out for those that loves the Free market and wants to pay for themselves.

With a HUUUGE buy in again, when you come to your senses.
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Old 04-19-2019, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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All correct except for one thing: Many boroughs in Alaska have their own variable sales tax. I work all over Alaska and charging residents gets pretty confusing with this.
That is the case in Colorado too. I looked at a map that showed states with no tax on groceries and Colorado is one of them! Could have fooled me; we pay a local tax on groceries. My post was just meant to be an overview.

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As is Medicare. People who are presently receiving medicare benefits are paid out of the taxes taken from todays wage earner. There is no trust fund or "paying into" anything and many are likely to receive more in "benefits" than they paid while they were a taxpayer.
You do not have to qualify for welfare based on having paid taxes for a certain amount of time. You have to have paid into Medicare for ten years (10) before you can qualify. Yes, I am aware there are some exceptions.
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Old 04-19-2019, 02:28 PM
 
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Free? Since when is anything free? People pay lots for health insurance. Presumably they could stop paying for private insurance and pay for public insurance instead.
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