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Old 05-14-2019, 10:47 AM
 
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Exactly, what "strong hand" did May have?

If the EU had negotiated a sweet deal for Brexit, other EU nations would have wanted the same.
Her strongest hand was the ability to walk away without a deal.She chose to fold after a couple of years of bluffing.
End of negotiations.

 
Old 05-15-2019, 04:19 AM
 
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Nigel Farage is expected today to announce The Brexit Party has attracted 100,000 registered supporters each paying £25 thus raising £2.5million in the four weeks since the party was launched.

FOUR WEEKS !

Fasten your seatbelts.
 
Old 05-15-2019, 05:23 AM
 
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So then it's as I said, everything is not negotiable. Duh!
Everything is negotiable. You just don't get everything you want.

You trade something you want for something the other side wants. The key is to find out what they want enough to give up what you want.

What is so difficult to understand about that?

UK wants to leave the EU, just reluctant to give up what they will need to give up in order to do that.

Blaming May for being a poor negotiator because she didn't play her "strong hand" is ridiculous. There was always the option of leaving without a deal. Everyone knew that.

UK can leave any time it wants, send the Polish plumbers and the Romanian riffraff back home, deal with the Irish border, revive the India Trading Company, return to the glory days of yesteryear.
 
Old 05-15-2019, 05:34 AM
 
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
Everything is negotiable. You just don't get everything you want.

You trade something you want for something the other side wants. The key is to find out what they want enough to give up what you want.

What is so difficult to understand about that?

UK wants to leave the EU, just reluctant to give up what they will need to give up in order to do that.

Blaming May for being a poor negotiator because she didn't play her "strong hand" is ridiculous. There was always the option of leaving without a deal. Everyone knew that.

UK can leave any time it wants, send the Polish plumbers and the Romanian riffraff back home, deal with the Irish border, revive the India Trading Company, return to the glory days of yesteryear.
If you got everything you want, that's not negotiation, its capitulation of your opposing party.

I think you have a comprehension problem in the meaning of the word negotiable. For instance, would it be negotiable, to get a US trade deal with the EU, if say Rhode Island had a hard border created between it and the rest of the US as a condition of the deal? No patently not. Thus not everything is negotiable. Further you are correct the UK needs to negotiate nothing at all, it can just leave the EU, which is why there is currently a lot of friction in UK politics right now.

I also don't think you have the first clue about what Brexit has been about. You've demonstrated in several threads on the subject your knowledge is as deep as a teaspoon.

However that all said, as I mentioned, your original statement is absurd. You cannot say everything is negotiable, then state the UK has three options. Well you can, but you would not be speaking English, if the concepts of options and negotiable are consistent with the English definitions of them.
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Old 05-15-2019, 07:04 AM
 
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Everything is negotiable. You just don't get everything you want.

You trade something you want for something the other side wants. The key is to find out what they want enough to give up what you want.

What is so difficult to understand about that?

UK wants to leave the EU, just reluctant to give up what they will need to give up in order to do that.

Blaming May for being a poor negotiator because she didn't play her "strong hand" is ridiculous. There was always the option of leaving without a deal. Everyone knew that.

UK can leave any time it wants, send the Polish plumbers and the Romanian riffraff back home, deal with the Irish border, revive the India Trading Company, return to the glory days of yesteryear.
Conkling's Law states that people who don't understand Brexit always hark back to the British Empire.
Those who do understand Brexit always look to the future.
I have never yet been proved wrong.
 
Old 05-15-2019, 07:06 AM
 
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Meanwhile Nigel Farage announces that within less than five weeks of being formed The Brexit Party has passed 100,000 registered supporters who have contributed more than £2.5million to the party's war chest.

Here's Nigel channelling his inner " your country needs you ".

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/sta...27519522004992
 
Old 05-16-2019, 05:25 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
Everything is negotiable. You just don't get everything you want.

You trade something you want for something the other side wants. The key is to find out what they want enough to give up what you want.

What is so difficult to understand about that?

UK wants to leave the EU, just reluctant to give up what they will need to give up in order to do that.

Blaming May for being a poor negotiator because she didn't play her "strong hand" is ridiculous. There was always the option of leaving without a deal. Everyone knew that.

UK can leave any time it wants, send the Polish plumbers and the Romanian riffraff back home, deal with the Irish border, revive the India Trading Company, return to the glory days of yesteryear.
This shows that (like a lot of remainers) you don't appear to have a very strong understanding of Brexit, when you don't have any arguments for remain you could simply try the 'racist' or 'xenophobic' thing even though Brexit has actually nothing to do with either.
 
Old 05-16-2019, 02:24 PM
 
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Another great Brexit rally, this time at a working man's club in Pontefract with Chairman Richard Tice, Nigel, some Brexit candidates including the wonderful Ann Widdecombe in fine form.

By the way, Nigel has cut back on his drinking and looks healthier and younger.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIO9xsU9agg
 
Old 05-17-2019, 04:41 AM
 
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The latest polling has The Brexit Party on 35% which could mean them winning nine out of the tweleve regions and even picking up seats in Scotland and London.

Then let's see what happens in the Peterborough by-election.

These are phenomenal numbers for a party that is five weeks old.
 
Old 05-19-2019, 05:07 PM
 
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I didn't want to start a separate thread for this and I don't know how reliable this newspaper is but thought the story was very interesting. A slap in the face of May by Trump for her government's possible participation in Spygate?

It sounds like there will be extra seats available at Buckingham Palace so why not invite Nigel?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...e-brexit-party
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