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Old 04-20-2019, 04:37 PM
 
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France has nukes.. it does not need to spend to much on its defense!! They have the ultimate deterrent..

I don't think you have a clear understanding of this topic. I'm not the military expert, but even I know there is no credible military power in Europe west of Moscow. And the Russians have nukes, lots of them. As for Canada, its military is on par with that of the island of Taiwan.



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I can walk down to my doctors office tomorrow and get an appointment within the hour, do my blood, check whatever... get a reception for almost any medicine I want ( if it will help my ailment), walk 50 yards to the pharmacy and buy it for 1/20 of the cost in the US.


Our system is GREAT!

How is that for propaganda...


Enjoy your high taxes.
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Old 04-20-2019, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Nobody is asking them to. Nobody is pressuring or guilting or demanding that they change their healthcare. And there are plenty of Americans who simply want that same respect.
Respect? Respect for what?
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Old 04-20-2019, 04:43 PM
 
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I'm not sure why people ask this question, when they don't care to hear the answer.

For the record this is my experience with the Canadian health care system:

I had two employees experience heart attacks. Both were immediately transported to hospital and operated on within a couple of hours. One did everything he was supposed to after being released. One did almost nothing to help himself once out of hospital. One has fully recovered, one may never fully recover. I leave it to the reader to guess which.

I had a medical condition crop up a few years ago. Having been robustly healthy, I foolishly hadn't replaced my personal doctor when he had retired. I instead went to a walk-in clinic and was examined within an hour or two after contacting them. While there I was informed of a program matching patients with doctors accepting new patients. I was given a list of a few potential physicians and was able to see one of them within a few days. We both seemed happy with the relationship, so she became my new personal doctor. She ended up referring me to a specialist who was able to diagnose the root cause and perform an operation that solved the issue. I now see the specialist yearly out of an abundance of caution.

Last year I came down with a sore throat that just didn't seem to be getting better. I phoned my doctor's office and made an appointment for a quick check-up. Elapsed time from the phone call to being seen by a doctor was apx. 1 hour. (including 20 minutes driving time)

For myself and the two employees I referenced:
Good quality medical care.
No long wait times.
No bureaucracy.
No paperwork
No out of pocket expenses.

To be clear the health care system is not free, and no Canadian thinks or says it is free. We pay for it in taxes and for the most part the money seems well spent.

There are changes I, and others I know would make to the Canadian system, but they are tweaks not wholesale revisions.
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Old 04-20-2019, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Canada
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A recurring thing with Canadians is they don't fully understand capitalism, or what individual rights and freedom mean.
Have you forgotten this:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Right to life. The right to freedom is useless to you if you are dead because you can’t afford medical care.
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Old 04-20-2019, 04:47 PM
 
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Ask any Canadian, Brit, or whoever if they'd trade their healthcare system for the one we have in the US. Go ahead, ask them. I'll wait right here.

"Canada is also alone in forbidding private financing for medically necessary services."

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...errible-system
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Old 04-20-2019, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I don't think you have a clear understanding of this topic. I'm not the military expert, but even I know there is no credible military power in Europe west of Moscow. And the Russians have nukes, lots of them. As for Canada, its military is on par with that of the island of Taiwan.






How is that for propaganda...


Enjoy your high taxes.
What high taxes? https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/0...cd_a_23426460/
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Old 04-20-2019, 04:50 PM
 
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Americans deduct state income and property tax from the federal income tax. Many states have no income tax on individuals. Sales tax is typically (I almost want to say consistently) lower. Car registration, gas tax...There is just no comparison.
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Old 04-20-2019, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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"Canada is also alone in forbidding private financing for medically necessary services."

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...errible-system
Talk about propaganda. An opinion piece from the Fraser Institute, published in a biased rag.

In Canada, there are private and public healthcare providers with complete patient freedom of choice between which doctors and facilities to use. ... Most people receiving care in Canada do not pay for their care. The medical provider gets paid a fixed fee for the care provided. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-tier_healthcare

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Old 04-20-2019, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Somewhere Out West
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I read the data. I’m the one who introduced it here. lol.

28 days for a non-emergency MRI. That seems reasonable to you? Someone with a torn rotator cuff, back problem, etc. is going to wait a full month just to get diagnostic imaging, before treatment can begin.

That’s not the standard of care that I am used to, so obviously that’s unacceptable to me. Your mileage and experience of course may vary.
Well my MRI is booked for next month. From the time of my dr visit to the MRI is just over 30 days. That is in the good old USA. 28 days would be an improvement; add to that no out of pockets and I am in.
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Old 04-20-2019, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Nobody is asking them to. Nobody is pressuring or guilting or demanding that they change their healthcare. And there are plenty of Americans who simply want that same respect.
Are you kidding? Their healthcare systems have been put up for a vote on numerous occasions asking whether the voters wanted to ditch their respective systems in favor of an American model. Each time, the American model was soundly and decisively rejected.

There are many, many more American citizens who want a healthcare system similar to what the Canadians and Brits have. A majority in the US now support a Medicare for All scenario.

It's kind of funny in a way; by demonizing the ACA (originally a conservative idea) the conservatives have all but ensured the rise of a socialized healthcare system in the US. Had the idiot Republicans had the foresight to embrace the ACA as the capitalist solution it is and help make it work, no one would be clamoring for socialized medicine.

But on the bright side; we'll be better off with the Medicare for All model. It's what we wanted all along.
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