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Old 04-18-2019, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Well, the OP's question is based on a false premise: namely, that we have socialized healthcare. We don't, because that would imply that all physicians were government employees, hospitals were government-run, etc. They're not: hospitals are often non-profit corporations, and some are still run by religious groups. Physicians are self-employed. The only "government doctors" I can think of are members of the Armed Forces.

Instead, we are single-payer, where the government pays the claim that the doctor submits. There are never any questions from the government and no interference on treatment decisions. Government simply pays the bill as submitted by the doctor, and that's that.

With that said, let's address the cost of what we have. It is difficult, if not impossible, to put a dollar figure out there. A better approach would be to put a percentage on it, but even then, it will necessarily be inexact, I'd suggest.

"Healthcare tax" is not a line item on a pay stub. There is just "Income "Tax." All taxes go into general revenues, both at the federal and provincial levels; and then apportioned out when the governments deliver their annual budgets. Health care is taken care of at the provincial level, and accounts for roughly one-third of provincial expenditures, so a very rough way to guesstimate what an individual pays for healthcare is for that individual to look at what he or she owes in provincial income tax, and take one-third of that. Maybe a little more, because as T-310 has pointed out, there are also excises on fuel, alcohol, tobacco, and a few others; as well as sales taxes. So, maybe a few percentage points above one-third of what you'd pay in provincial income tax.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Well, the OP's question is based on a false premise: namely, that we have socialized healthcare. We don't, because that would imply that all physicians were government employees, hospitals were government-run, etc. They're not: hospitals are often non-profit corporations, and some are still run by religious groups. Physicians are self-employed. The only "government doctors" I can think of are members of the Armed Forces.

Instead, we are single-payer, where the government pays the claim that the doctor submits. There are never any questions from the government and no interference on treatment decisions. Government simply pays the bill as submitted by the doctor, and that's that.

With that said, let's address the cost of what we have. It is difficult, if not impossible, to put a dollar figure out there. A better approach would be to put a percentage on it, but even then, it will necessarily be inexact, I'd suggest.

"Healthcare tax" is not a line item on a pay stub. There is just "Income "Tax." All taxes go into general revenues, both at the federal and provincial levels; and then apportioned out when the governments deliver their annual budgets. Health care is taken care of at the provincial level, and accounts for roughly one-third of provincial expenditures, so a very rough way to guesstimate what an individual pays for healthcare is for that individual to look at what he or she owes in provincial income tax, and take one-third of that. Maybe a little more, because as T-310 has pointed out, there are also excises on fuel, alcohol, tobacco, and a few others; as well as sales taxes. So, maybe a few percentage points above one-third of what you'd pay in provincial income tax.
So using your calculations, a family here in BC earning that $127,000 ( taxable income )mentioned earlier would pay 14.7 percent provincial income tax, of which one third of that would $6,223.

Assuming there is only one person working in that family. This covers the whole family, whether you have one kid or six. You also have as mentioned time and time again, no deductible, no co-pays, no denials, no paperwork and no networks.

Sounds like a good deal to me.

Of course most family's don't make that much, and their share of the cost is proportionately lower.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:11 PM
 
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HC expeditures per capita in Canada are about 1/2 of what they are here.

About 10% of GDP compared to the crazy 20% in US.
Their waiting list for surgeries are hideous.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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Their waiting list for surgeries are hideous.
This is my historic issue with Canadian healthcare. Wait times for simple diagnostic procedures required to begin proper treatment are simply way too long. The current prioritization schedule in Ontario leaves non-emergency patients waiting an average of 31 days for an MRI that is supposed to take place within 28 days. That’s current data directly from https://www.hqontario.ca/System-Perf...nostic-Imaging.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:21 PM
 
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Their waiting list for surgeries are hideous.
Bogus information. and to add theres no call to replace and repeal our healthcare system we are happy with it, Americas healthcare system is nothing to be proud of =https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...-worst/563519/
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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So using your calculations, a family here in BC earning that $127,000 ( taxable income )mentioned earlier would pay 14.7 percent provincial income tax, of which one third of that would $6,223....

Of course most family's don't make that much, and their share of the cost is proportionately lower.
Well, you may want to bump that dollar figure up a bit, because of provincial sales tax, fuel taxes, alcohol excise taxes, and so on. But yes, you've got the idea.

On your second point, again, you are correct. Someone making, say, $70,000 per year would pay less in income tax than in your hypothetical; thus fewer of their tax dollars would go towards the provincial healthcare budget. And if someone makes more than in your hypothetical, they pay more.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:43 PM
 
Location: New York
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Their waiting list for surgeries are hideous.

I've not heard that about Canada. I know that GB suffers horrible wait times, especially if you need to see a specialist, which most people will.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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I've not heard that about Canada. I know that GB suffers horrible wait times, especially if you need to see a specialist, which most people will.
You can Google wait times by province. It’s a wait.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:58 PM
 
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Their waiting list for surgeries are hideous.

Depends on what the surgery is and where the patient is.

Same thing in the USA .....

Friend in Del Ray Florida was going to have to way almost five months for surgery on her shoulder.

Lucky for her contacts in Charleston she was able to get in at the hospital here and get it done within a month.

All my family is in Canada --- three brothers, sister, four sister inlaws and a brother in law, cousins, Aunt,s Uncles, parents. Nobody we know live sin the USA.

None have ever had to wait for surgeries except for one Uncle.

He needed knee surgery. He wanted both done at the same time. That extended his wait -- and then when they offered him dates he would refuse because he spends three months in Florida so he didn't want to have it done just before Florida.

Yeah so he waited -- but he turned down two or three dates in two years. That was his choice.

That's not exactly a 'horror' story. More one of convenience.

Other than that - heart surgeries, emergency surgeries, etc....no wait times.

I know I know -- you know somebody that knows somebody that told them.

But the reality -- it's not the norm.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:59 PM
 
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The truth -- given what individuals pay for health care insurance and then all of the out of pocket expenses associated with any health care -- Americans would probably find that any increase in taxes would be nominal compares to those costs.
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