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Old 04-19-2019, 07:13 AM
 
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There is little doubt that the Comey attacks likely cost Clinton the election. That is on top of whatever the Russians achieved. And that was Obama's fault. Should have fired Comey after the July fiasco.
You know all of you liberals can throw around phrases like "It's undisputed' or "There is little doubt' but you have no clue what you are talking about.
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Old 04-19-2019, 07:15 AM
 
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hahahaha No he won the votes he got because Hillary sucked so bad.
Not only that, given all Hillary's attempts to rig the election, it's amazing that she didn't win.
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Old 04-19-2019, 08:05 AM
 
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The only corruption in the last election came from the Democrats.
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Old 04-19-2019, 08:14 AM
 
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You sure about that? Bait & switch?


Russia, Ukraine, Iran, England, Brussels, Canada, Israel, and China all conspired with Hillary, to help her win. It is documented.
Wonder why Mueller didn't look into that?
All that big money dumped into the Clinton Foundation and funneled to the campaign.
There is a statement in the Mueller Investigation Barr did not redact that totally contradicts your opinion:
Section 7–pg 41
Says that the Russian troll farm made NO attempt to infiltrate the Clinton campaign or Clinton supporter groups like it did the Trump campaign
That despite successful efforts to infiltrate OTHER American political groups and the Trump campaign to create anti Clinton and pro Trump sentiment and heighten divisive views and actions—it made NO effort to do that with the Clinton campaign or support groups...
That is pretty specific

You are equating MONEY to the Clinton Foundation to illegal campaign contributions
That is an opinion and there are no supporting facts that Clinton misused her foundation money in her campaign
While there is growing evidence that Russian money went into the NRA and subsequently into Trump’s campaign—highest donation to Trump than any other previous candidate...
That investigation is probably still ongoing...
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Old 04-19-2019, 08:16 AM
 
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There was no proof that they had any effect on the outcome. Everything says they tried to influence it.
Actually there is proof the Russians infiltrated and compromised the election system in a Florida county
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Old 04-19-2019, 08:18 AM
 
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Actually there is proof the Russians infiltrated and compromised the election system in a Florida county
Would you name said county?
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Old 04-19-2019, 08:18 AM
 
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How strange ... reliving the past like that. 'Glory Days' I suppose ...

What are these people going to do when Trump is actually out of office? There is no Plan -B-, they will be rudderless.
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Old 04-19-2019, 08:24 AM
 
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Default Constantly in a state of denial? It ain't healthy for these little buddies!

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You know all of you liberals can throw around phrases like "It's undisputed' or "There is little doubt' but you have no clue what you are talking about.

Grizrl ... Yes indeed! And therein lies the crux of the acute psychosis! ... A so called political party that displays seemingly delusional and absurd view points, as if they were rational and factual! ... Its a pitiful shame ! ... Nevertheless, "TRUMPER," has withstood the onslaught of opposing and irrational political circus lunacy, "AND STANDS TALL AND PROUD PER USUAL" !
Old Sgt. Lamar says so !

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Old 04-19-2019, 08:27 AM
 
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Russian intentions were to divide Americans even further. They also wanted to see how effective they could be at driving the conversation during the election. In these ways they were fairly successful. To attribute the results of the election to Russian efforts is short-sighted, and it also plays into the hands of the Russians, because distrust of the election process in the United States is also one of their goals.

President Trump got elected because enough people in enough states disliked Hillary Clinton and liked (or at least were amused by) Donald Trump to vote for him. The electoral college, and the way states choose electors, allowed President Trump to squeeze out victory, even though Secretary Clinton won more votes. It's an American anomaly that that can happen, and the Russians certainly weren't involved in the design of the electoral college, nor in the legislative actions (the winner-take-all laws, the cap on the membership of the House, the many laws that give the the two-party system a huge advantage, etc) that ended up with President Trump winning the presidency.

The Russian presence in social media certainly helped to shape the narrative in 2016, but missteps by the Clinton campaign (especially in taking the "blue wall" for granted), and Comey's contribution to that narrative, opened the door for President Trump.
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Old 04-19-2019, 08:30 AM
 
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I remember people saying voters across the country outside of California and NY were just tired of career politicians. Many promises, but few deliveries. The fact that Hillary essentially lost to a game show host tells you how many people actually despised her. Again, that's outside of California and NY.

So now, can the Democrats choose a candidate that enough people across the country will vote for? That's the challenge they face and it's a pretty big one. Looking at who's currently running, it's somewhat doubtful. But there are more people still considering a presidential run.
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