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Old 04-23-2019, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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are you seriously insisting that illegal immigrants don't live in section 8 households? benito doesn't have to get on the list in order for jose to allow him to live in the house.
Jose must be a citizen or other legal resident to get a voucher. So the proposition is to turn down some citizen to get at some one who is not. That is we take a benefit from one citizen to give to another.

The only way to pull this off will be to establish a bed police to track who actually sleeps where.
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Old 04-23-2019, 10:03 AM
 
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Poor conservative snowflakes and their obsession with the big bad illegals. They'll kick them out of Section 8 housing to do what exactly? What then? Let me guess; Republicans have no plan whatsoever. Because they aren't the planning type. Already the holding cells are overflowing with illegal immigrants waiting for hearings and deportation so there's no room at that inn. So what's the plan OP? Besides feeling smug about Ben Carson's fabulous idea.

Let the cities take care of them until it bankrupts them then the unrest causes the rich to flee back to their safeholds in the suburbs so property values in the city go back to the real world.
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Old 04-23-2019, 11:16 AM
 
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Jose must be a citizen or other legal resident to get a voucher. So the proposition is to turn down some citizen to get at some one who is not. That is we take a benefit from one citizen to give to another.

The only way to pull this off will be to establish a bed police to track who actually sleeps where.
No, you replace one citizen and five illegals with six citizens.

And that one citizen is likely only a citizen because of anchor baby citizenship. It further illustrates the benefits for an illegal to make it across the border by any means and drop a baby.

But since you don't think many illegals are occupying section 8 housing, then the topic of the thread - that Carson wants to bar illegals from occupying section 8 housing - shouldn't be an issue for you.


The way to "pull this off" is to require all occupants to be citizens. As 2sleepy already pointed out, all occupants have to be on the application. You don't get approved for a 3BR apartment if you are just one occupant. Enforcing occupancy restrictions might require "bed police" (or anonymous tips) but this applies to all S8 and landlords have plenty of incentive to monitor and report excessive occupancy. No landlord wants 8 people, of any shape or color, crammed into their 1BR apartment.
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Old 04-23-2019, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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are you seriously insisting that illegal immigrants don't live in section 8 households? benito doesn't have to get on the list in order for jose to allow him to live in the house.
HUD verifies citizenship before you can get housing. Only the people you list on the application are allowed to live in the house with you. You can list a person who does not state citizenship, they are considered to be "ineligible" which means they can live in the property under certain circumstances but rent is 'pro-rated'.
In other words, if a non-citizen lives with two citizens, the entire household will only receive 2/3 of the HUD rental allowance and the non-citizen's salary is considered to be salary for the entire family when calculating the portion of rent the family must pay.

https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents/74657GC11GUID.PDF

http://www.mplp.org/Events/2009/hous...oncitizens.pdf
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Old 04-23-2019, 11:27 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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are you seriously insisting that illegal immigrants don't live in section 8 households? benito doesn't have to get on the list in order for jose to allow him to live in the house.
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Jose must be a citizen or other legal resident to get a voucher. So the proposition is to turn down some citizen to get at some one who is not. That is we take a benefit from one citizen to give to another.

The only way to pull this off will be to establish a bed police to track who actually sleeps where.
right. and your final sentence exemplifies why it's meaningless to insist that only citizen or legal residents live in section 8.


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HUD verifies citizenship before you can get housing. Only the people you list on the application are allowed to live in the house with you. You can list a person who does not state citizenship, they are considered to be "ineligible" which means they can live in the property under certain circumstances but rent is 'pro-rated'.
In other words, if a non-citizen lives with two citizens, the entire household will only receive 2/3 of the HUD rental allowance and the non-citizen's salary is considered to be salary for the entire family when calculating the portion of rent the family must pay.

https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents/74657GC11GUID.PDF

http://www.mplp.org/Events/2009/hous...oncitizens.pdf
how often is HUD entering these housing units to determine the citizenship of those living there?
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Old 04-23-2019, 11:29 AM
 
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HUD verifies citizenship before you can get housing. Only the people you list on the application are allowed to live in the house with you. You can list a person who does not state citizenship, they are considered to be "ineligible" which means they can live in the property under certain circumstances but rent is 'pro-rated'.
In other words, if a non-citizen lives with two citizens, the entire household will only receive 2/3 of the HUD rental allowance and the non-citizen's salary is considered to be salary for the entire family when calculating the portion of rent the family must pay.

https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents/74657GC11GUID.PDF

http://www.mplp.org/Events/2009/hous...oncitizens.pdf

In which case, Carson's decision has no tangible effects therefore liberals have no basis to be upset about it.
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Old 04-23-2019, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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How will Ben do it?
More bureaucracy. More government workers will be needed to track the illegals down in all that section 8 housing.
The swamp continues to grow and spread.

MAGA comes at a great cost, and it's either more swamp or putting up with the illegals. Can't have both at the same time, but the illegals are more likely to move out on their own than the swamp will want to shrink once all those federal jobs happen.

I doubt the illegals will cost us as much money in the end. They won't be getting any retirement when they leave the housing. But Ben's new bureaucrats will get theirs, for sure, as Ben will, long after he's gone.
Warrants to continuously search the residences of 5 million voucher holders and demand proof of citizenship/ legal status of all " guest" occupants?
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Old 04-23-2019, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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It's time to eliminate HUD altogether and let the states decide whether they want to build projects. The federal government has no business getting involved in this type of issue anyway.
States/county/municipalities control it as they do SNAP benefits. The Federal Government funds most of it and makes high-level rules.

Section 8 has been and remains limited to US citizens and legal residents. No telling who might be a guest in a Section 8 household. No reasonable way to determine this.
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Old 04-23-2019, 11:43 AM
 
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This is a non-story. Illegal/non-documented/whatever should not be receiving the benefits from the start.

As a snowflake, let me encourage you- evict away!!! And while you are at it, be sure to identify/prosecute/fine/etc all the folks who are hiring them illegally. Those folks are the ones who keep creating the incentive.
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Old 04-23-2019, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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how often is HUD entering these housing units to determine the citizenship of those living there?
I can't tell you that, but anecdotally it seems to be common. I have a friend who manages an apartment complex in Solano County and she watches everyone to see if they are moving people into their apartments who aren't on the lease she said people try to do it all the time, sometimes because the person wouldn't get approved if they were on the lease because of credit problems or felony convictions. If she sees that happen with a section 8 recipient she calls HUD and they are either warned and forced to move out the person not on the lease, or they lose their voucher.

In my neighborhood there was a house rented out to a section 8 tenant. A lady and two kids moved in and it seemed like every other person seemed to be moving in Two of my neighbors called HUD and within a month the lady was packing up and moving out, she didn't tell anyone what happened but she yelled over the fence at one of my neighbors who called HUD "thanks a lot now I'm going to be homeless with these kids"

HUD rules for visitors are strict, you can't have anyone stay in your home for more than 14 consecutive days or for a total of more than 21 days in a year.
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