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I really dislike the Godwin's Law invocation of "denialism." Climate change is mostly a forecast. Miami and New York City are not under water or anywhere close to it. The ice caps melted significantly since the Ice Age, when Long Island, a glacial moraine, was the southern edge of the ice. Now the southern edge of the ice is somewhere around Ellesmere Island or Devon Island in Nunavut, Canada, and the island of Greenland. As well as the sea level rise that inundated Beringia, trapping the Native Americans/First Nations on this continent. And all this happened long before man-made "climate change."
The burden is on the party seeking extensive, disruptive changes to prove the danger, not on society to engage the impossible task of proving a negative.
Is this "extensive and disruptive" enough for you? It's from the global conspiracy of hundreds of thousands of scientists who have infiltrated NOAA Global Climate Report - August 2019
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The Northern Hemisphere just had its hottest summer on record since 1880. NOAA found the average global surface temperature taken by thousands of thermometers, buoys and other sensors on land and sea tied with that of 2016 for the top spot, with a temperature anomaly of 2.03 degrees (1.13 Celsius) above the 20th-century average.
NASA is full of hoaxers, as well:
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In addition, August was the world’s second-hottest such month, according to both NOAA and NASA, with unusually hot conditions seen from pole to pole and across every ocean.
According to NOAA, the five hottest summers in the Northern Hemisphere have each occurred during the past five years.
HAH! Yet another Chinese hoax! That was just the weather.
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This summer featured unusual events that are symptomatic of a rapidly warming planet. There was a brutal heat wave across Europe in July that established new national high temperature records and broke Paris’s all-time hottest temperature. In addition, Arctic sea ice plummeted to the second-lowest level on record for the month of August
Silly Europeans - they can't even read the thermometer. Everyone knows that Europe was below freezing from May to September. And I bet roving packs of Inuit are sneaking around and messing with the arctic sea ice. But they can't fool clever people like you and I, now can they?
The global conspiracy of scientists even managed to fake satellite imagery to make it seem like:
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The Arctic was ablaze, from the boreal forests of Alaska and Canada to the Siberian tundra and vast spruce forests, highlighting the possibility that the region could go from an absorber, or “sink,” of carbon to a source of additional carbon dioxide emitted into the atmosphere
Finally, more fake news from the something hole countries of Africa and Asia as well as even more fake data from Europe and Alaska:
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“Record high temperatures were observed across parts of the western coast of Alaska, the Bering Sea, western Pacific Ocean, Mexico, the Atlantic Ocean, western and southern Africa, northern Indian Ocean, and across parts of South America, Europe, and Asia
Now I think I'll go count smashed moths on my windshield and try to make everyone think I'm talking about birds and - hang on for more fake news!
Birds have had a population decline of 30% in the last 50 years according to the merry pranksters who do peer reviews in every scientist's favorite comic book - The Journal of Science - once one of the world's most prestigious scientific journals until you deniers finally outed it. Great job!
I am humbled by your clever deductions and your ability to come up with mocking names. Really, I am.
Oh, please. Sea level rise will actually be more benign than many of the other things we will be forcing our children to endure. Try food shortages due to loss of agricultural regions thanks to extreme weather events like the profound flooding that struck farms in the upper midwest last spring and early summer. Landlocked areas are as susceptible to flood events as anywhere else. Try being unable to work outside in the summer months thanks to the increase in heat and humidity. Or maybe you will get to be one of those elderly folks who will die during one of the increasingly common summer heatwaves when the grid goes out thanks to all the demand for AC. Or more tragically yet, maybe it will be your grandbaby who dies since infants are vulnerable to heat related deaths as well.
And if your afraid of migrants now, you will be overwhelmed by the surge of desperate people from Mexico and Central America. A wall will not stop people who are starving and desperate.
Shame, shame, shame on the republican party for the role they are playing in bringing such suffering down on our young. You all think you are so cute making fun of this young girl when the reality is that you are monsters.
From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25. An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States.
Seacove is correct. The South East will be unlivable in another 50 years. Those who mock this intelligent and passionate young girl will one day be hated by their own children and grandchildren for doing nothing to fight climate change when there was a still a chance of avoiding a very bleak future for the ones who are following close on our heels.
"Science is propaganda" is something that could have been written by George Orwell. Those who continue to deny climate change at this point are either incredibly brainwashed and completely uneducated or else completely immoral - tools of the Koch Brothers and their ilk.
Who said the climate doesn't change?
Of course the climate changes.
The problem with the CAGW is that we have doubled atmospheric CO2 and have virtually nothing to show for it.
This fits in with a longer record of massive changes in CO2 levels that show little or no surface temperature movement.
Seacove is correct. The South East will be unlivable in another 50 years. Those who mock this intelligent and passionate young girl will one day be hated by their own children and grandchildren for doing nothing to fight climate change when there was a still a chance of avoiding a very bleak future for the ones who are following close on our heels.
"Science is propaganda" is something that could have been written by George Orwell. Those who continue to deny climate change at this point are either incredibly brainwashed and completely uneducated or else completely immoral - tools of the Koch Brothers and their ilk.
Who said the climate doesn't change?
Of course the climate changes.
The problem with the CAGW is that we have doubled atmospheric CO2 and have virtually nothing to show for it.
This fits in with a longer record of massive changes in CO2 levels that show little or no surface temperature movement.
As for Orwell, CAGW isn't science and GHCN v.3 is something Winston Smith might have written.
Agree with her or not I would not characterize Thurnberg as a "tearful teenybopper." I think it's a good thing when people - especially young people - become active about something they believe in. If someone disagrees the thing to do is be an activist for your point of view rather than level personal attacks on those who are trying to make the world better. Again, you can disagree with the viewpoint, but if someone believes s/he is fighting for something to improve the world how is that a bad thing? She also is consistent, sailing here instead of flying here, etc.
She reminds me of something that happened in sleepaway camp with my first sort-of girlfriend, let's call her Carol, around August 19 or 20, 1972. We were riding in an open-back truck from Roscoe, New York to Quintes Isle, Ontario. I was busy swatting flies out of annoyance and boredom. Carol was a vegetarian, smart, almost 13 year old girl who looked about the age of this Swedish teen. She was upset that I was "killing life." We have talked since on Facebook, but not the rest of that Canada trip or what remained of that summer.
Just as you would call a cold wave "weather" this is not proof. The epic of Gilgamesh and the parallel story of Noah in the Bible aside, there are plenty of records from pre-Industrial U.S. of these kinds of events. These include:
The Valley Forge winter of 1777-8;
The winter of 1778-9 when the Hudson froze so much cannon could move across it;
The St. Croix Hurricane of 1772 (dispute as to whether it was August 31 or September 14), but one way or another it paved way for Alexander Hamilton to wind up in New York;
Well at least it wasn't "historic" as we usually hear and it was just one event but the frequency and impact of these large moisture events does appear to be increasing. Flooding appears to be the new normal in places like Houston, I wonder what the FEMA tab will be for this year between the mid-west flooding and Dorian.
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