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These were no small matters:
"As many as 1,000 Jews died at the hands of Greeks and Russians in the 1905 pogrom."
Those not killed were terrorized and their businesses sacked and many houses burned. It happened time after time.
The remaining Jews were murdered by the Nazis and the Romanians and Poles, etc.
"In 1941, while under Romanian control, 34,000 local Jews, over 100,000 Ukrainian Jews and 15,000 Romani people were massacred in response to a Soviet bombing of Romanian headquarters."
Whoever was left or resettled...most moved to Israel or elsewhere if they could. The USSR talked a good game (everyone is equal), but that wasn't the case.
Russia also "bussed in" Russian Nationals over the years (they did this to many of the separate peoples around the edges of their empire) and killed, starved or drove out the existing residents...and then, what do you know, they claimed that the area was Russian and spoke Russian! Amazing.
Inventing fake history much?
Ukrainian Jews were "attacked by Russians" who were... what exactly? Bussed to Ukraine from "Russia proper" specifically for this purpose back in Tzarist times?
How about stating facts for what they are - i.e. Ukrainians murdering Jews ( since Jews were not even allowed to live in "Russia proper" back in Tzarist times.)
How come your article conveniently skips the worst "pogrom" of them all - the Lvov pogrom of 1941 conducted by the Ukrainians?
Because it's not a well-known fact that a lot of horrific images (attributed to Holocaust) are coming specifically from this event, where Russians were nowhere around.
I am already aware of your rabid hatred towards Russians, but just learning one Russian word and spreading misinformation on the basis of it is not exactly a good strategy, because you can be easily caught.
These were no small matters:
"As many as 1,000 Jews died at the hands of Greeks and Russians in the 1905 pogrom."
Those not killed were terrorized and their businesses sacked and many houses burned. It happened time after time.
The remaining Jews were murdered by the Nazis and the Romanians and Poles, etc.
"In 1941, while under Romanian control, 34,000 local Jews, over 100,000 Ukrainian Jews and 15,000 Romani people were massacred in response to a Soviet bombing of Romanian headquarters."
Whoever was left or resettled...most moved to Israel or elsewhere if they could. The USSR talked a good game (everyone is equal), but that wasn't the case.
Russia also "bussed in" Russian Nationals over the years (they did this to many of the separate peoples around the edges of their empire) and killed, starved or drove out the existing residents...and then, what do you know, they claimed that the area was Russian and spoke Russian! Amazing.
Chock this down to ignorance, but I thought the pogroms was about a potato shortage.
1905 was a time of global turmoil. How many Jews died at the hands of the Indonesians? How many had nothing when they returned to a country where they were accepted. The NL was pretty good about accepting Jews during the Spanish Inquisition, and so on.
Ukrainian Jews were "attacked by Russians" who were... what exactly? Bussed to Ukraine from "Russia proper" specifically for this purpose back in Tzarist times?
How about stating facts for what they are - i.e. Ukrainians murdering Jews ( since Jews were not even allowed to live in "Russia proper" back in Tzarist times.)
How come your article conveniently skips the worst "pogrom" of them all - the Lvov pogrom of 1941 conducted by the Ukrainians?
Because it's not a well-known fact that a lot of horrific images (attributed to Holocaust) are coming specifically from this event, where Russians were nowhere around.
I am already aware of your rabid hatred towards Russians, but just learning one Russian word and spreading misinformation on the basis of it is not exactly a good strategy, because you can be easily caught.
Fake history.
We know that in WW2, people who practiced Judaism, were gypsies, retarded, or disabled were rounded up in the Ukraine. The concentration camps were efficient with the extermination of those peoples.
This was not a Russian event, this was a Nazi event. Right?
We know that in WW2, people who practiced Judaism, were gypsies, retarded, or disabled were rounded up in the Ukraine. The concentration camps were efficient with the extermination of those peoples.
This was not a Russian event, this was a Nazi event. Right?
We know one thing for sure, that Jewish pogroms were taking place in Tzarist Russia mostly behind the Pale of settlement and whether it were just ethnic Russians that inspired and conducted these pogroms is questionable.
At least when we look at the first pogrom that took place in Kishinev ( Moldavia,) the so-called "Russian nationalist" who instigated it, was indeed not even of ethnic Russian origin.
When it comes to Lvov pogrom, then it was for sure conducted by Ukrainian nationalists, who were willing ( and well-known) German collaborators during the WWII, ( which in its turn serves as a source of conflict in today's Ukraine.)
These were no small matters:
"As many as 1,000 Jews died at the hands of Greeks and Russians in the 1905 pogrom."
Those not killed were terrorized and their businesses sacked and many houses burned. It happened time after time.
The remaining Jews were murdered by the Nazis and the Romanians and Poles, etc.
"In 1941, while under Romanian control, 34,000 local Jews, over 100,000 Ukrainian Jews and 15,000 Romani people were massacred in response to a Soviet bombing of Romanian headquarters."
Whoever was left or resettled...most moved to Israel or elsewhere if they could. The USSR talked a good game (everyone is equal), but that wasn't the case.
Russia also "bussed in" Russian Nationals over the years (they did this to many of the separate peoples around the edges of their empire) and killed, starved or drove out the existing residents...and then, what do you know, they claimed that the area was Russian and spoke Russian! Amazing.
Sort of like how the US is busing in those people from the northeast to Florida and magically changing the political demographics? Or the US is allowing immigrants to flood into the country and then, what do you know, you got an immigrant Somali elected to congress and magically claims she and everything about her are American! Or you got the US westward expansion, numerous whites given free land and magically, the place is American and speaks English!
Lol, no one wants to go to Ukraine, there are numerous Ukrainians in Russia though for work.
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Originally Posted by erasure
We know one thing for sure, that Jewish pogroms were taking place in Tzarist Russia mostly behind the Pale of settlement and whether it were just ethnic Russians that inspired and conducted these pogroms is questionable.
At least when we look at the first pogrom that took place in Kishinev ( Moldavia,) the so-called "Russian nationalist" who instigated it, was indeed not even of ethnic Russian origin.
When it comes to Lvov pogrom, then it was for sure conducted by Ukrainian nationalists, who were willing ( and well-known) German collaborators during the WWII, ( which in its turn serves as a source of conflict in today's Ukraine.)
Yes, it is all about west Ukraine, still the issue today, you can even clearly see the voting lines reflecting this. There are essentially two Ukrainians, the "normal" ones that inhabit central and east Ukraine, and the Galicians who some how think they are Ukrainians, hell maybe are, but somehow drive the Ukrainian identity and narrative though historically, were not part of Ukraine and Ukrainian identity. They are also the source of all the WW2 Nazi related atrocities, the nazi like crack downs before WW2, the source of it today, and the voting even shows about zero support for the new president.
Realistically, Hate doesn't need a reason. The Sun could come up and beautiful day could be here and the stock market could go up and you can turn on Hate Radio or TV today and they will be screaming about something. Right? It usually involves "someone else" who is responsible for all the woes of mankind.
However, the heavy nazi areas did not vote for him...
Sort of like how the US is busing in those people from the northeast to Florida and magically changing the political demographics? Or the US is allowing immigrants to flood into the country and then, what do you know, you got an immigrant Somali elected to congress and magically claims she and everything about her are American! Or you got the US westward expansion, numerous whites given free land and magically, the place is American and speaks English!
Yes, the murdering of millions is exactly like movement inside a free country....NOT.
Hint - the Russia government PAID the people to resettle, cleared the former populations....and there was no "option" for either. You WILL get on that train and settle in E. Ukraine (we already killed, starved or forced off the former populace).
I should note that even though my bloodline may go back to King David (being checked right now by scholars who contacted us due to DNA), I have no pride when a Jewish person becomes head of any government. I believe in the words of MLK - the content of a persons character. Not the tribe. Or the color. Or the race. Or even the national origin.
Many of these continuing crimes (Ukraine, Russia)...even those would settle into the past if we all stopped doing them! We can't turn everything back but we can try to tamp it down.
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