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Old 04-30-2019, 06:15 AM
 
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the hypocrisy from the left is the issue...so you mean anything that Congress does is legit because your party is doing it? LMAO

let the courts decide this, what's your problem? if the legislative branch has issues with the executive branch and vice versa that's why we have the judicial branch to settle any conflict.

but once again, Obama for 8 years ignored many subpoenas by the Republican Congress and he let the courts decide. Did he committed obstruction, YES or NO? just for the record to see if you are consistent.
Got anything stating Obama obstructed justice? We KNOW Trump did he tried several times to stop the Muller Investigation, and now he’s telling his aids to ingore the subpoenas. Yes, they are legit.

As far as Obama obstructing justice, I can’t honestly answer one way or another.
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:24 AM
 
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But Trump dangling the prospect of a SCOTUS appointment in front of Napolitano for the sole purpose of manipulating him, without having any intention of following through, makes perfect sense. Standard operating procedure for Trump.
Indeed.

Probably partly why Napolitano knows Trump is guilty of Obstruction of Justice.
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:38 AM
 
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Indeed.

Probably partly why Napolitano knows Trump is guilty of Obstruction of Justice.
Nap knows the truth: the only thing Trump is guilty of is Obstruction of Bowels. The day he was elected, sphincters all over Washington shut down.
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Old 04-30-2019, 07:27 AM
 
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Dick Cheney knew how important and helpful shutting down the “Fairness Doctrine” would be to the rise of the sleazy GOP propaganda machine—
One of his strategies that has paid off much more than the payoff likely received by the FCC commissioner at the time—a Reagan appointee...
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Old 04-30-2019, 07:33 AM
 
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Dick Cheney knew how important and helpful shutting down the “Fairness Doctrine” would be to the rise of the sleazy GOP propaganda machine—
One of his strategies that has paid off much more than the payoff likely received by the FCC commissioner at the time—a Reagan appointee...
Yeah, how'd that work out for them? Real bonehead move, but that's why the call the GOP the Stupid Party.
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Old 04-30-2019, 08:12 AM
 
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Got anything stating Obama obstructed justice? We KNOW Trump did he tried several times to stop the Muller Investigation, and now he’s telling his aids to ingore the subpoenas. Yes, they are legit.

As far as Obama obstructing justice, I can’t honestly answer one way or another.





if Trump wanted to stop the Mueller investigation he had constitutional powers to fired him and end it. It was a hoax. NO American was charged of collusion or conspiracy with Russia. Mueller doesn't outrank the President in the executive branch.....try again.


Now lets apply the same standards to Obama:


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In 2009, Barack Obama inexplicably fired Inspector General Gerald Walpin, who had been investigating the misuse of federal grant money for AmeriCorps by Sacramento mayor and former NBA basketball star Kevin Johnson. Johnson took $850,000 of that money for his own nonprofit organization, where he used it to pay for political activity. During his investigation, Walpin discovered a cover-up of sexual abuse allegations made by three underage students against Johnson who were offered some of this grant money as hush money. As a result, Walpin recommended criminal charges against Johnson. But Johnson was an Obama ally and donor, and Obama wasn’t about to have him held accountable for his crimes, so Obama demanded Walpin’s resignation, which Walpin refused to give, and so Walpin was fired. However, the firing violated federal law—a law that Obama co-sponsored as a U.S. senator, no less. An investigation by Congress into the illegal firing was met with stonewalling by the Obama White House, and the withholding of documents. The Obama White House also deliberately misled Congress about the reasons for the firing.

What happens when you send two thousand firearms across the border, lose hundreds of them, and then a border agent is killed with one of those guns? You lie, stonewall, and obstruct the investigation. At least, that’s what the Obama administration did. Attorney General Eric Holder falsely claimed to have no knowledge of the operation, and Obama personally obstructed the investigation by claiming executive privilege over documents requested by Congress. The obstruction by the Obama administration was so egregious that Attorney General Eric Holder was held in contempt of Congress, in a bipartisan vote, for refusing to cooperate with their investigation.

In August 2014, 47 of 73 inspectors general wrote an open letter to Congress informing them that the Obama administration of obstructing investigations by not giving them full access to the information they need to investigate properly. Such a letter was unprecedented, and the systemic corruption and obstruction the inspectors general would have been considered an impeachable defense for almost any other president. Emboldened by the lack of outrage (thanks to lack of media attention to the scandal) emboldened the Obama administration to impose new restrictions on the investigative powers of inspectors general. Imagine President Trump trying to get away with that today?


https://pjmedia.com/trending/the-top...dministration/

that's just a few.......try again or stick your head in the sand.
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Old 04-30-2019, 08:27 AM
 
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The judge and Trump have been having a bit of fun with us, it seems.
What Napolitano said about Trump's culpability does not meet the definition of 'have fun with us'.

Napolitano was dead serious, and his analysis was damaging. Napolitano may be trying mitigate the damage to his relationship with Trump at this time, publicly pointing out their long term association and proclaiming a friendship (possibly to dampen the rage of some Fox News viewers and reduce the volume of hate mail). Trump is unforgiving.

Trump, for his part, responded predictably by lying about their private conversations in his outrage, to smear and belittle him.

Let's remember, Trump has no friends. Trump has people who understand him and people who don't, but no true friends. To Trump everyone is controllable and/or expendable.
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Old 04-30-2019, 08:31 AM
 
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What Napolitano said about Trump's culpability does not meet the definition of 'have fun with us'.

Napolitano was dead serious, and his analysis was damaging. Napolitano may be trying mitigate the damage to his relationship with Trump at this time, publicly pointing out their long term association and proclaiming a friendship (possibly to dampen the rage of some Fox News viewers and reduce the volume of hate mail). Trump is unforgiving.

Trump, for his part, responded predictably by lying about their private conversations in his outrage, to smear and belittle him.

Let's remember, Trump has no friends. Trump has people who understand him and people who don't, but no true friends. To Trump everyone is controllable and/or expendable.
and you have first hand knowledge of this? you should work for CNN. Be Don's Lemon or Cuomo's substitute teacher when they go on vacation or call in sick.
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Old 04-30-2019, 08:45 AM
 
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if Trump wanted to stop the Mueller investigation he had constitutional powers to fired him and end it. It was a hoax. NO American was charged of collusion or conspiracy with Russia. Mueller doesn't outrank the President in the executive branch.....try again.


Now lets apply the same standards to Obama:





https://pjmedia.com/trending/the-top...dministration/

that's just a few.......try again or stick your head in the sand.


Yes of course he could fire Mueller but I would expect that firing the Special Prosecutor on the heels of firing the FBI director in addition to firing Sessions might get the attention of even the republicans in congress, but maybe I give to them too much credit.


This was about Russian intervention in our election which is also the case for 2020, it wasn't about just collusions and that so called hoax indicted 13 Russians in addition to their companies. Also didn't Trump impose additional sanctions over the Russian intervention that was a hoax. I would say not believing in your own intelligence agencies while shouting Hoax is burying your head in the sand.


Investigations of the Clinton Foundation and Benghazi were the real hoaxes, did you feel the same regarding them.
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Old 04-30-2019, 09:37 AM
 
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Yes of course he could fire Mueller but I would expect that firing the Special Prosecutor on the heels of firing the FBI director in addition to firing Sessions might get the attention of even the republicans in congress, but maybe I give to them too much credit.


This was about Russian intervention in our election which is also the case for 2020, it wasn't about just collusions and that so called hoax indicted 13 Russians in addition to their companies. Also didn't Trump impose additional sanctions over the Russian intervention that was a hoax. I would say not believing in your own intelligence agencies while shouting Hoax is burying your head in the sand.


Investigations of the Clinton Foundation and Benghazi were the real hoaxes, did you feel the same regarding them.



1) Don't confuse political fallout to criminal. Trump has the constitutional powers to fired anybody in the executive branch or make them quit. If that's obstruction then every President would be charged with obstruction when they apply their prosecutorial discretion in every investigation and every case in the DOJ and somebody below them disagrees.




2) No American was indicted on collusion or conspiracy with Russia or obstruction. That means the investigation just on the Trump camp was a hoax.




3) Trump has been tougher on Russia in 2 years than Obama in 8 years. This happened under Obama's watch and he did nothing.




4) Mueller charging 13 Russians that will never see the light of an American court was disingenuous at best. We will never get to see the real "evidence" since our intel has a great track record of telling the truth.


5) the same intel that lied about WMD's and lied about the NSA spying program and if it wasn't for the WIKILEAKS, they would still deny it....you mean those same intel agencies? ok...LMAO!


6) I don't give our intel agency a blind check, I want to see the evidence.
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