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Old 05-02-2019, 09:19 AM
 
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You don't understand either one of those if you think turning in vaccine records to the school is a violation of same.

I fully understand FERPA and HIPPA. I am not sure if you or others speaking about the bill in Colorado understand what it says.

If one turns their vaccination records or exemption forms to the school, those records are protected by FERPA. If one turns their records in the Department of Health as would be required by the Bill for exemption forms, they are protected by neither. Why should parents have to give up their right to privacy when it comes to private health information just because theydid not vaccinate for everything on the schedule and legally exercised their right to an exemption? It’s not right.

 
Old 05-02-2019, 09:20 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Cheering for the loss of freedom is beyond mindblowing.
SCOTUS needs to reinforce the right of the people to not be vaccinated.
 
Old 05-02-2019, 09:22 AM
 
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Why won’t you answer my question?

Does it bother you to have to provide sensitive personal and financial information in order to register your kid for public school? Isn’t that also a loss of freedom if you consider filling out a standardized waiver form as such?

When you do, I’ll answer yours.
Because your question is not relevant. You don’t understand the Bill that has been proposed in Colorado at all. You’re also showing a lack of understanding of FERPA.
 
Old 05-02-2019, 09:22 AM
 
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SCOTUS needs to reinforce the right of the people to not be vaccinated.
Given there’s no state law or proposed state law allowing for forcible vaccination, exactly what would they review??
 
Old 05-02-2019, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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To put this in perspective, the FDA says aluminum in IV feeding bags must not exceed 25 micrograms per liter, and that even smaller amounts (5 micrograms/kg bodyweight/day) pose dangers to premature babies.


The FDA’s position seems to be that infants should not be exposed to more than 5 micrograms of injected aluminum from an IV, but that it is safe for them to be exposed to a dose of 366 micrograms of injected aluminum in a DTaP vaccine, or sometimes more than 1,000 micrograms of aluminum when multiple shots are given in one day. This makes no sense.
It makes sense if you understand the kinetics.

IM aluminum is not absorbed into the blood all at once. IV aluminum, by definition, is.

"Our results indicate that body burdens following maximal exposure to aluminum adjuvant do not exceed those based on an accepted regulatory standard of safe aluminum levels, i.e.,the MRL established by ATSDR."

https://vaccinepapers.org/wp-content...inum-paper.pdf

Math at the link for those interested.
 
Old 05-02-2019, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Do you feel it’s important for your private medical records to be protected by law? HIPPA and FERPA if turning them into the school. Why or why not?
You sign away your HIPAA (not HIPPA) rights every time you wish for your health insurance to pay a medical claim. You want your child to attend a public event, school, sports, etc... prove they were vaccinated.
 
Old 05-02-2019, 09:27 AM
 
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Why won’t you answer my question?

Does it bother you to have to provide sensitive personal and financial information in order to register your kid for public school? Isn’t that also a loss of freedom if you consider filling out a standardized waiver form as such?

When you do, I’ll answer yours.
One has to for most employers/corporations, so children may as well get used to it.
 
Old 05-02-2019, 09:30 AM
 
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Because your question is not relevant. You don’t understand the Bill that has been proposed in Colorado at all. You’re also showing a lack of understanding of FERPA.
It is relevant to the claim of “loss of freedom”. If filling out a form and providing information about vaccination waivers is a “loss of freedom” then filling out ANY forms for school enrollment is also a “loss of freedom”.

If I don’t want to provide my child’s birth certificate or documentation proving my address, I can’t enroll them in public school. Just like you can’t if you refuse to fill out the standardized waiver form. There’s no difference.
 
Old 05-02-2019, 09:32 AM
 
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It is relevant to the claim of “loss of freedom”. If filling out a form and providing information about vaccination waivers is a “loss of freedom” then filling out ANY forms for school enrollment is also a “loss of freedom”.

If I don’t want to provide my child’s birth certificate or documentation proving my address, I can’t enroll them in public school. Just like you can’t if you refuse to fill out the standardized waiver form. There’s no difference.
There’s no point in discussing this Bill with you if you don’t even know what it says and what it will do. Do you understand that medical information is protected in different ways then other information? I would hope so.
 
Old 05-02-2019, 09:40 AM
 
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This is what the bill does if it passes:

The bill requires the department of public health and environment (department) to:

Develop a standardized form and submission process to claim a medical exemption to an immunization; and
Develop a standardized form and submission process to claim a religious or personal belief exemption to an immunization.

Filling out a form isn’t a “loss of freedom”. You have to go the school to register your child prior to the first year they attend public school. This would be just one more form to fill out, sign and date.

And even if you don’t fill out the form, no one will come to your house and force a vaccination on your child. Parents in Colorado can refuse vaccination today and will be able to do so if the bill passes.

There’s no law in any state or proposed law to to forcibly vaccinate anyone. Do you admit that’s true or if not can you provide a link to the law and/or proposed legislation? If not your histrionics about “loss of freedom” are unfounded.
Well, at least you bothered to look up and quote the bill. It does not only relate to religious or personal belief exemption, but MEDICAL ones as well. Too many parents getting medical exemptions in California?

Not going to link it, but Kyle Mullica, who sponsored this bill is an RN. Surprise!!!!!! Colorado's answer to California's Dr. Pan? I also read that he originally wanted to sponsor a bill totally eliminating Religious and Personal Exemptions, but was told that the Governor would never sign it. Would there be enough votes in the legislature to override Governor's veto?

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/04/2...ne-exemptions/
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