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Old 04-27-2019, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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'Liberal democracy is tougher than it looks.'
Because liberal-democracy is a fraud.


When you think liberal-democracy, you think Scandinavia. And you believe they represent a "successful" kind of liberal-democracy. But why is Sweden considered a success? Because it is rich. If it wasn't rich, it wouldn't be a success.

So why is Sweden rich? And do you know what "Keynesian-economics" is? And what relation does Keynesianism have with the "Welfare-state"?


Is Sweden a free-country? What do we even mean by free? Why are some countries more-free than others?

Look at it like this, why does Europe have "hate-speech laws"? Obviously those are an infringement of "freedom". They are believed to be a justified limitation, but why? What is the principle on which rights can be limited or eliminated?


What you fail to see is that every nation must pursue its "national interests" at all times. And the only true national interest, is economic-growth. Everything a nation is doing is tied to economics, even things that seem to be unrelated.


For instance, something like same-sex marriage has nothing to do with economics, but gays vote democrat, and so the "money" which backs the Democratic-Party(such as tech companies), will push the gay-marriage issue, or the topic of homophobia more-broadly(including transphobia, and the 70 genders), to get gays and their sympathizers to vote democrat, because the policies of the Democratic-party benefits these tech companies.


And it isn't only tech companies, Hillary Clinton was one of the best-funded candidates in American History. Wall-Street wasn't giving her money because "muh democracy", they were giving her money as an investment which they expected would yield an even greater return.

The same thing is true for Republicans. The Republican-establishment doesn't give a crap about abortion, they only mention it for votes. The only thing the Republican establishment cares about is lower-taxes, deregulation, military-spending, and other government-contracts.


The government is not going to do anything which can harm the economy, regardless of how popular it is. And the nature of politics prevents anything from happening unless the money wants it to happen. And that is true in every country.

Sweden isn't going to risk its economy for actual democracy. And the European Union is extremely undemocratic.

https://medium.com/@gthoare/the-eu-a...ic-9b4f45bea1f


Moreover, countries like Singapore are about as authoritarian as they come, but their social-welfare policies make most Western Democracies look like some kind of Charles Dickens capitalist dystopia. And let us not forget about the rising Chinese behemoth.


You believe democracy is something that it isn't, and has never been.

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Old 04-27-2019, 11:52 AM
 
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Because liberal-democracy is a fraud.


When you think liberal-democracy, you think Scandinavia. And you believe they represent a "successful" kind of liberal-democracy. But why is Sweden considered a success? Because it is rich. If it wasn't rich, it wouldn't be a success.

So why is Sweden rich? And do you know what "Keynesian-economics" is? And what relation does Keynesianism have with the "Welfare-state"?


Is Sweden a free-country? What do we even mean by free? Why are some countries more-free than others?

Look at it like this, why does Europe have "hate-speech laws"? Obviously those are an infringement of "freedom". They are believed to be a justified limitation, but why? What is the principle on which rights can be limited or eliminated?


What you fail to see is that every nation must pursue its "national interests" at all times. And the only true national interest, is economic-growth. Everything a nation is doing is tied to economics, even things that seem to be unrelated.


For instance, something like same-sex marriage has nothing to do with economics, but gays vote democrat, and so the "money" which backs the Democratic-Party(such as tech companies), will push the gay-marriage issue, or the topic of homophobia more-broadly(including transphobia, and the 70 genders), to get gays and their sympathizers to vote democrat, because the policies of the Democratic-party benefits these tech companies.


And it isn't only tech companies, Hillary Clinton was one of the best-funded candidates in American History. Wall-Street wasn't giving her money because "muh democracy", they were giving her money as an investment which they expected would yield an even greater return.

The same thing is true for Republicans. The Republican-establishment doesn't give a crap about abortion, they only mention it for votes. The only thing the Republican establishment cares about is lower-taxes, deregulation, military-spending, and other government-contracts.


The government is not going to do anything which can harm the economy, regardless of how popular it is. And the nature of politics prevents anything from happening unless the money wants it to happen. And that is true in every country.

Sweden isn't going to risk its economy for actual democracy. And the European Union is extremely undemocratic.

https://medium.com/@gthoare/the-eu-a...ic-9b4f45bea1f


Moreover, countries like Singapore are about as authoritarian as they come, but their social-welfare policies make most Western Democracies look like some kind of Charles Dickens capitalist dystopia. And let us not forget about the rising Chinese behemoth.
Apparently you will go on & on about anything to avoid the topic i.e. why you prefer Trumpocracy to democracy & the Constitutional rule of law.

Doesn't matter:

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The only way to check Trumpocracy is through a constitutional movement that’s bigger than politics. The whole reason we have constitutional politics is to manage our differences. The goal is not to extinguish all differences; it’s to protect the right to differ.
Mr. Trump is not trustworthy & his ideas regarding government are a sham. Trumpocracy doesn't require trustworthiness, all it requires is loyalty to Individual One.

Frankly, if he is such a 'deal-maker' why doesn't he negotiate one where he resigns office in exchange for the relevant authorities not pursuing criminal charges against him, his children or the Trump Organization?
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Old 04-27-2019, 12:51 PM
 
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The GOP which has become an organized crime syndicate whose sole purpose is to funnel more and more money to the top by robbing the treasury knows all too well that they can never win with fair elections so they resort to whatever tactic necessary to maintain power. Mitch the turtle McConnell is a one evil POS and this packing of the courts is obscene. Every one of Trumps judicial pick corporate tools, which were chosen for him to push through, should be null and void once Trump is full exposed for the criminal we all know he is.
You're projecting, once again, in your sick, delusional way. My god, man, have you no shame for your shameful posts?
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Old 04-27-2019, 02:03 PM
 
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Actually no, a truly democratic vote would have gone the other way.
There's no such thing as a "truly democratic vote". True democracy does not involve voting at all. True democracy makes decisions by unanimous agreement.
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Old 04-27-2019, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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So to you the Electoral College is a form of democracy?
The electoral college was in fact democratically installed in 1787. The ratification process was a form of democratic process. It had been agreed that 9 of 13 states would have to ratify to enact the new constitution. A super-majority requirement does not equal non-democracy. It's just democracy in alternate form.

The small states feared being over-run by large states, and demanded the electoral college in order to ratify. That's how democracy works--you go into a room, negotiate, compromise, and come to agreement.
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Old 04-27-2019, 04:06 PM
 
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You're projecting, once again, in your sick, delusional way. My god, man, have you no shame for your shameful posts?
I agree with him. I have been observing the party from the inside and the outside for 40+ years.

The GOP [which] has become an organized crime syndicate. Anyone can see that.
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Old 04-27-2019, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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The whole game is in how you phrase the question. It's really easy.

Example: Democrats are currently being manipulated by outright Marxists. Democrats are just letting the Marxists get their way without challenging them at all, because at their core, all Democrats are just Marxists anyways. They are gradually adopting full blown Marxism, but slowly so the American people won't suspect what they're doing. Keep voting Democrat and soon we'll all be reliving the purges of Stalin and Mao here in the good ole USA. Agree or disagree?

Is that a fair question or does it come across as politically biased? Seems fair to me. Pretty obvious that I'm asking this question in good faith and with no desire to manipulate, Right?

Do you agree or disagree with the above statement? Post your reasons here: .................................................. ............
I sincerely wish that I didn't have to agree, but the Democrats are morphing into a collection of slow thinkers, ne'er-do-wells, and assorted riffraff led by an ideologically-driven clique whose ends are used to justify any means. They are every bit as much a threat to true pluralism as the Marxists and Nazis -- whom the SJW and TDS crowd sound more like with every passing day.

It's the Leftist ideologues, their thug allies, and their pointing, grunting, slobbering captive audience who seek to rewrite history, to silence dissent, to blame the lynch mob's discontent on a small group, and to disarm those of us who know better.

"History is something we need to forget." (Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez)

Need we say more?

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Old 04-27-2019, 04:34 PM
 
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I agree with him. I have been observing the party from the inside and the outside for 40+ years.

The GOP [which] has become an organized crime syndicate. Anyone can see that.
All you have to do is look at the indictment and conviction numbers of Republican administrations and Democratic administrations over the past fifty some years.

Last I read it was 89 to 1.

But that's not a current count.
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Old 04-27-2019, 04:38 PM
 
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You're projecting, once again, in your sick, delusional way. My god, man, have you no shame for your shameful posts?
Who has been giving the tax breaks to the least needy and plotting to cut benefits for the ones that need it most? The Republ-cons have done ZERO for average Americans and they own the trickle down scam...and you already know this so go gaslight someone stupid who will buy your nonsnese.
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Old 04-27-2019, 04:42 PM
 
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I agree with him. I have been observing the party from the inside and the outside for 40+ years.

The GOP [which] has become an organized crime syndicate. Anyone can see that.
Of course and they have and they set their trolls out in an attempt to gaslight because it works so well for Trump on his tools. And his clueless tools don't even realize that Trump is a major globalist and his base is the corporate elite.

btw...I'm a she
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