As pro-abortion lawmakers walk out, Alabama House votes to ban nearly all abortions (Congress, death)
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The first 3 minutes of your video are basically irrelevant. Just after 3 minutes there's Alabama state representative, a Democrat named John Rogers. John Rogers says the following:
"I'm not about to tell a woman what to do with her body. Some kids are unwanted, so you kill them now or you kill them later. You bring them into the world unwanted and unloved, then you send them to the electric chair"
At 4:07 it says that lawmakers in New York cheered when they passed what the video called a "9 month abortion on demand legislation." It mentions the "Reproductive Health Act," which I looked up online. So far as I can tell, it can be found here: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/s240
The Reproductive Health act appears to make abortion legal up to birth in New York.
At 4:37 it shows the words of a panelist speaking at the "National Abortion Federation Conference in San Francisco." She says some gibberish and it's impossible to tell what she means by that gibberish because the video didn't record what question or comment she was responding to.
At about 5:30 or so there's a winner of the Margaret Sanger award saying the following:
"One of them said 'I don't like saying I'm dismembering a fetus. It makes me feel bad.' Another (person) 'An eyeball just fell into my lap and that is gross' but I say to myself 'this abortion is going well and is gong safely, so I am fine."
Yeah...Earth kind of isn't an ideal place. It's a Darwinian maelstrom of nightmares. A good example of this is that octopi are very clever organisms who die after procreating. They stop eating. Females will sometimes eat the tips of their tentacles and bang themselves into the sides of their tanks to attempt to speed up the dying process faster.
You now how we've escaped from the worst parts of that Darwinian maelstrom though? The parts of it most of life still goes through on a daily basis, blindly and without hope of escaping? Human logic, and our ability to look at things and understand them on a deep level. We need to use our logic, or we'll end up sending people through the same sorts of fate the octopus goes through. Mother Nature is the enemy. She's a blind, mad scientist. She's the one who invented our instincts, and that's why our instincts can be pretty worthless sometimes.
Maybe the information you showed in your video should be widespread, or not. I don't know, and don't I care to think about it much. The point is, if you destroy a fetus before it has a mind, and that fetus had sickle cell anemia, you have just cured a child of sickle cell anemia. There is basically no difference...because the fetus has lost nothing if it has no mind, and the mother could have another child without sickle cell anemia.
I haven't researched this topic enough to know when a fetus has a "mind" or when a fetus has less of a "mind" or why many people seem to have concluded that fetuses probably often can't feel pain before 27 weeks. I've researched it some, but I don't think I need to research it extensively yet because most pro-lifers don't care enough to think about rational issues like that, at least on this forum. They just like repeating "abortion is murder!" over and over again.
What an abortion is, at least in the early stages...but maybe in the later stages too...I don't know...is, basically, the sacrificing of the life of an animal to improve the life of a child...so far as it seems to me. I can't see fetuses, at least in the early stages, being more complex than many of the animals we eat for food.
When you abort a fetus with sickle cell anemia, you are taking the life of an animal to cure a baby, and the child it will turn into, and the adult, from sickle cell anemia. If that's wrong...then there's something wrong with the way we're treating animals.
I think there is something wrong with...not so much with how humans treat animals, but more so having to do with how Mother Nature treats animals. That's why I'd seriously consider the euthanization of every animal on Earth if we had the power, and humans could continue to exist - freeing them from the blind cycle of Darwinian evolution none of them agreed to be born into.
Fetuses don't get the choice of whether or not to come into the world either...but adults can make the choice for them. In fact, we inevitably do.
Death isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's just ceasing to be. Our instincts tell us otherwise...but they were designed by a mad scientist named Mother Nature the Witch god. Mother Nature, that evil witch, insists to us that our duty is to procreate and survive. She's wrong. She's a goddess of illusions. Our powerful drive to procreate and survive exists primarily because it allowed us to do so, to spread our genes. Our true goal...our sensible goal...is to attain pleasure and avoid suffering. Sometimes the easiest way to do that is just to keep beings with many difficult-to-solve problems from ever being born.
Fortunately, there's no way this will be constitutional, even if it passes...but that's assuming Roe v Wade sticks around.
I'm quite sure the Alabama legislature passed this bill exactly because they want a woman to appeal the law, eventually giving SCOTUS the opportunity to "revisit" Roe v Wade.
If SCOTUS does toss out Roe v Wade, then the fight will move to the states individually. More specifically, it will move to the 'purple' states. Alabama won't change its mind about abortion rights, anymore than California will.
And if his wife or daughter was raped and impregnated by an illegal immigrant he would be OK with her being forced to carry the pregnancy against her will.
So that child has to die, because of what his father did?!! CMON!
Theres always adoption too, plenty of willing people want children to raise, (they generally dont care who the parents were, as long as the baby is healthy).
On Tuesday, the Alabama House voted to ban almost all abortions. Live Action News previously reported on the legislation, which is highly controversial. The Associated Press reports that the House of Representatives voted 74-3 in favor of the legislation. Pro-abortion Democrats walked out in protest before the final vote was held.
wow 74-3
There is no such thing as a pro-abortion person. There are pro-choice people and anti-abortion people. If someone doesn't want or need an abortion, pro-choice people don't want or insist she get an abortion. Because they are not pro-abortion. They are pro-choice.
People who want or insist another person not have an abortion, is anti-abortion.
So that child has to die, because of what his father did?!! CMON!
Theres always adoption too, plenty of willing people want children to raise, (they generally dont care who the parents were, as long as the baby is healthy).
Sorry, a fetus the size of a grape is not a child, not even close.
Unlike the woman, that fetus cannot feel pain, it cannot think, it does not have feelings and is not more important than the woman who can feel pain, who can think, who does have feelings.
It does not have rights that trump those of a woman.
Forcing a victim of rape to carry a constant reminder of her attacker is inhumane and torture..... it is barbaric.
Not only that but the pregnancy will leave permanent reminders of the attack with the woman for the rest of her life, from something as benign as stretch marks to negative health issues up to and including death.
Forcing women to carry rape pregnancies tells us one thing, other than our ability to breed, we are expendable and worthless, that our primary value is as breeding stock, first and foremost.
Personally, having a part of my rapist growing inside of me would make my skin crawl and I would do everything in my power to get rid of it.
Then just what is it you so dearly want? For a law to be passed requiring all pregnant women to give birth? Failure to do so means murder charges would be filed against the woman? Also do you also want sale of some or all contraceptives to be banned?
I'm quite sure the Alabama legislature passed this bill exactly because they want a woman to appeal the law, eventually giving SCOTUS the opportunity to "revisit" Roe v Wade.
If SCOTUS does toss out Roe v Wade, then the fight will move to the states individually. More specifically, it will move to the 'purple' states. Alabama won't change its mind about abortion rights, anymore than California will.
I agree. I also think Alabama needs to to be forced to accept at least some abortions against the will of its elected officials...for the same sorts of reasons we wouldn't have a law that's it's legal to urinate on the lawns of Muslims in public, even if everybody wanted such a law.
So that child has to die, because of what his father did?!! CMON!
Theres always adoption too, plenty of willing people want children to raise, (they generally dont care who the parents were, as long as the baby is healthy).
That adoption involves potentially not being adopted and going through a series of foster homes until you reach 18. It also involves a lot of physical and emotional hardship for the mother.
What you are saying, and you need to think about this, is that avoiding taking the life of...it's hard to tell, but let's call it a squirrel, is more important than helping a would-be mother avoid some pretty difficult experiences and helping a human avoid a lifetime without parents. About ninety or so percent of abortions occur within the first trimester.
The first trimester lasts to about 12 weeks. At 8 weeks it is about 1 inch long. At 12 weeks it's about 3 inches long...which is still smaller than the typical squirrel. A squirrel will have an awareness of the world around it. It'll be able to feel pain. A fetus before 25 weeks of development quite plausibly won't.
I'm not sure if its findings have been refuted, given how old it is, and it's one of the first I came across after a search...about half an hour ago, but it gives a nice, fairly understandable summary of why fetuses may quite likely not be able to feel pain until 25 weeks...unlike squirrels, that are also wide awake. It's easier for me to to understand than several other sources I've looked at. It should probably be treated as a first step of research, rather than the end, because it's so old. I'll start looking for refutations of its findings at some point. I've found some stuff that might be...but I've got to figure out what's biased and what's not and I don't know enough to do that yet.
Last edited by Clintone; 05-07-2019 at 08:44 AM..
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