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Old 05-05-2019, 11:33 AM
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Simple. If they had to pass through mexico, asylum denied, Asylum would begin at next country.
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Old 05-05-2019, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Cali
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No quick answers - we have the US constitution that CBP swears to uphold - due process
show me in the US Constitution that asylum seekers deserve due process.

I am here all day.
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Old 05-05-2019, 01:31 PM
 
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How can border patrol cops decide what people wait years for actual judges to decide? I mean, maybe they can just have some of those rednecks who were trying to hold people in Arizona decide...

that is what training is for.


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No quick answers - we have the US constitution that CBP swears to uphold - due process

they would be getting due process, they would get the hearing. nice try.
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Old 05-05-2019, 01:33 PM
 
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How can border patrol cops decide what people wait years for actual judges to decide? I mean, maybe they can just have some of those rednecks who were trying to hold people in Arizona decide...
not every asylum request reaches to an IJ judge.

Asylum officer is the one who makes the decision if the asylum request will move forward to an IJ judge.
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Old 05-05-2019, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Florida
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show me in the US Constitution that asylum seekers deserve due process.

I am here all day.
The US Constitution doesn't address asylum seekers hence laws that were implemented afterwards.

Trump as usual is trying to circumvent the laws.
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Old 05-05-2019, 01:42 PM
 
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The US Constitution doesn't address asylum seekers hence laws that were implemented afterwards.

Trump as usual is trying to circumvent the laws.
that is my point. there is nothing in the US Constitution mentions anything about "due process" for asylum or refugee seekers.

US did sign the 1967 Protocal Relating to Status of Refugees international agreement
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Old 05-05-2019, 01:44 PM
 
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show me in the US Constitution that asylum seekers deserve due process.

I am here all day.
That was decided in 1896 by the Supreme Court.

https://qz.com/1314128/undocumented-...s-us-citizens/

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In the 1896 case Wong Wing vs. US, the Supreme Court ruled that even an immigrant who had broken immigration law still had the right to make his case to a judge before being “deprived of life, liberty, or property.”

[A]ll persons within the territory of the United States are entitled to the protection guarantied by those amendments, and that even aliens shall not be held to answer for a capital or other infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.

The court decision establishes that the US Constitution’s Fifth and Sixth amendments—which grant the right to a public trial and prohibit detention without due legal process—extend to all people on US soil.
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Old 05-05-2019, 01:46 PM
 
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that is my point. there is nothing in the US Constitution mentions anything about "due process" for asylum or refugee seekers.

US did sign the 1967 Protocal Relating to Status of Refugees international agreement
See the 1896 Supreme Court Decision which I posted. Due process applies for everyone who happens to be in the US regardless of how or why they came.
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Old 05-05-2019, 01:47 PM
 
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"The Trump administration wants to give Border Patrol agents authority to decide asylum claims on the spot rather than clogging the court system with the rapidly increasing claims".

https://rightwingtribune.com/2019/05/02/new-tool/
That website is something else!
Now I know where all of these crazy right wing threads are starting from here in P&OC !
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Old 05-05-2019, 01:49 PM
 
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That was decided in 1896 by the Supreme Court.

https://qz.com/1314128/undocumented-...s-us-citizens/
an immigrant broken US law and subject for deportation (CIMT) is a lot different than international asylum law/agreement (1967 Protocal Relating to Status Refugee)
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