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View Poll Results: Regarding Senate Plan explained here
This is a good idea: should be implemented 2 3.23%
This plan has possibilities but needs modification 3 4.84%
Lateral move: no better or worse than curren Senate 0 0%
A few thing could be drawn from this plan, but not much 0 0%
This is a bad idea. 57 91.94%
Voters: 62. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 05-07-2019, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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We have become less individual and more dependent on each other for business purposes. Money is all they are after now, not your interests.
Brexit is a perfect example of businesses not wanting to be competitive. They prefer to dictate prices and distribution and fear
being in a corner, so they take their toys and go home.

The US is far from a democracy. I think what politicians enjoy most are the profits from the systems they create out of their schemes promoting democracy.
the us is not a democracy. it is an oligarchy.
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Old 05-07-2019, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Remember the line in the pledge:


I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands...[/b]
"one nation, under God"....of course, that wasn't added until 1954 when we felt the need to distinguish ourselves from the godless, ef-fin commies in the Soviet Union (I'm sure that someone, maybe Joe McCarthy, also wanted to make the US flag blue and white for....um...obvious reasons. I'm also sure you think we liberals, progressive, leftists, Democrats actually loved those Reds....news flash: we didn't)

I would suppose they could have added "democratic" to the pledge, but think how awkward "and to the democratic republic for which it stands" sounds. However, we are in reality a democratic republicans. Kind of neat, TulsaTucson, don't you think, as our only two major parties are called the Democrats and the Republicans. And even more pertinent, the oldest (by far) party that still exists today and has its roots in the earliest days of the democracy...er.....republic.....er....land grab from the native Americans....er....giant slave plantation with all that free labor.....was one you love....the Democrats who at the time were the (yep, here we go again with every text alteration) the Democratic-Republicans

Nothing personal, but our pledge might have worked better if it said "One nation, under our diversity, with Arizhoma's words invisible, with liberty and justice to all (white, black, hispanic Asian, male, female, straight, gay, etc.) By the way....your two states didn't even make it into the union until the 20th century...who are you to speak (at least New Mexico, Alaska and Hawaii have the decency to keep their mouths shut. just kidding')

Of course, even "In god we trust" didn't make it onto coinage (or anything) until the Civil War era and I'm sure, no doubt, that the founding father were turning over in their graves when that one became a reality.

Yes, Ok, I realize we are a republic. You can't have a democracy with 300,000,000+ million we have in the US today. You couldn't even have it with the 4,000,000 folks we had in 1787. Democracies can not exist unless you have few enough people to fit in one place.

I realized we're going nowhere in a hurry on this thread as we ride this hell in a hand basket. But I'm bite on this one again...

Why are you accusing me of identifying the parts and the function of the US government? They are irrelevant to me here....and are not even a part of the discussion.

I can take the US Constitution, ask one to imagine it were the Constitution of, say, India, or Brazil, or Germany, and ask quite simply, by my suggestion of restructuring the Senate make the name (any nation) more democratic.

So you are arguing with me about issues I've never raised. All I wanted to know was this:

WOULD RESTRUCTURING THE U.S. SENATE WITH MY PLAN SERVE TO MAKE THE CONSTITUTION MORE DEMOCRATIC?

That's it. Period. And you don't even have to think making it more democratic is a good thing. No one says it should be....and the question posed was only for those who place a high value on democratic principles.

You can't even listen to me or consider anything I say because I am on the.......dreaded left. Yet I can listen to you and consider what you say because I have no disdain, no dislike of the right.

Kumbaya, bless the beasts and the children, this land is your land, this land is my land, I'd like to teach the world to drink coke, Happy Ramadan, Happy Kwanza, Happy Hannukah, Merry Christmas (say that is a law now, y'know) to my good buddy...good ol' soonersundevil (wildcatcowpoke?)

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Old 05-07-2019, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I think you are not only utterly clueless on our government, but totally lacking in an understanding of human nature.
But I am cute. And my mother loved me. (I think)
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Old 05-07-2019, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I'm surprised the left hasn't tried to cut CA up so that each new state has a chunk of coast to ensure it gets what it wants.
nope. but the right has. Hatched the very idea in the libertarian heaven that is Silicon Valley. Brilliant plan actually: put Metro LA and the Bay Area into two separate states...and carve out three additional ones for the Republicans. We will let those three states create their own militias that include every man, woman, and children of right leaning persuasion and arm them with the guns they need in case the Casto Street gang invades them with rainbow colored pitch forks.
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Old 05-07-2019, 03:46 PM
 
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But I am cute. And my mother loved me. (I think)
No doubt!
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Old 05-07-2019, 03:47 PM
 
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nope. but the right has. Hatched the very idea in the libertarian heaven that is Silicon Valley. Brilliant plan actually: put Metro LA and the Bay Area into two separate states...and carve out three additional ones for the Republicans.
I could go for that!
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Old 05-07-2019, 04:01 PM
 
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So you are arguing with me about issues I've never raised. All I wanted to know was this:

WOULD RESTRUCTURING THE U.S. SENATE WITH MY PLAN SERVE TO MAKE THE CONSTITUTION MORE DEMOCRATIC?

That's it. Period. And you don't even have to think making it more democratic is a good thing. No one says it should be....and the question posed was only for those who place a high value on democratic principles.
I think you've got your answer as over 90% of us who've posted here and answered your poll disagree with you and your political philosophy. That's it. Period.
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Old 05-07-2019, 04:02 PM
 
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"one nation, under God"....of course, that wasn't added until 1954 when we felt the need to distinguish ourselves from the godless, ef-fin commies in the Soviet Union (I'm sure that someone, maybe Joe McCarthy, also wanted to make the US flag blue and white for....um...obvious reasons. I'm also sure you think we liberals, progressive, leftists, Democrats actually loved those Reds....news flash: we didn't)

I would suppose they could have added "democratic" to the pledge, but think how awkward "and to the democratic republic for which it stands" sounds. However, we are in reality a democratic republicans. Kind of neat, TulsaTucson, don't you think, as our only two major parties are called the Democrats and the Republicans. And even more pertinent, the oldest (by far) party that still exists today and has its roots in the earliest days of the democracy...er.....republic.....er....land grab from the native Americans....er....giant slave plantation with all that free labor.....was one you love....the Democrats who at the time were the (yep, here we go again with every text alteration) the Democratic-Republicans

Nothing personal, but our pledge might have worked better if it said "One nation, under our diversity, with Arizhoma's words invisible, with liberty and justice to all (white, black, hispanic Asian, male, female, straight, gay, etc.) By the way....your two states didn't even make it into the union until the 20th century...who are you to speak (at least New Mexico, Alaska and Hawaii have the decency to keep their mouths shut. just kidding')

Of course, even "In god we trust" didn't make it onto coinage (or anything) until the Civil War era and I'm sure, no doubt, that the founding father were turning over in their graves when that one became a reality.

Yes, Ok, I realize we are a republic. You can't have a democracy with 300,000,000+ million we have in the US today. You couldn't even have it with the 4,000,000 folks we had in 1787. Democracies can not exist unless you have few enough people to fit in one place.

I realized we're going nowhere in a hurry on this thread as we ride this hell in a hand basket. But I'm bite on this one again...

Why are you accusing me of identifying the parts and the function of the US government? They are irrelevant to me here....and are not even a part of the discussion.

I can take the US Constitution, ask one to imagine it were the Constitution of, say, India, or Brazil, or Germany, and ask quite simply, by my suggestion of restructuring the Senate make the name (any nation) more democratic.

So you are arguing with me about issues I've never raised. All I wanted to know was this:

WOULD RESTRUCTURING THE U.S. SENATE WITH MY PLAN SERVE TO MAKE THE CONSTITUTION MORE DEMOCRATIC?

That's it. Period. And you don't even have to think making it more democratic is a good thing. No one says it should be....and the question posed was only for those who place a high value on democratic principles.

You can't even listen to me or consider anything I say because I am on the.......dreaded left. Yet I can listen to you and consider what you say because I have no disdain, no dislike of the right.

Kumbaya, bless the beasts and the children, this land is your land, this land is my land, I'd like to teach the world to drink coke, Happy Ramadan, Happy Kwanza, Happy Hannukah, Merry Christmas (say that is a law now, y'know) to my good buddy...good ol' soonersundevil (wildcatcowpoke?)
Went a bit off into the weeds on that one.


More democratic....YES! Better......Hell No!

Being on the left means you have no connection to reality, no idea what works and what doesn't, that you have no respect for people or their rights. That you believe in big government and small freedom. That your motto is, in effect "Government uber alles". You may think it is stylish and in vogue, but it is a cancer that eats the heart of all it touches. You have adopted it willfully, so why should we listen to you.
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Old 05-07-2019, 05:47 PM
 
Location: New York
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this thread is another good reason we should all start to be wary of the left.

they are constantly talking about fascism, totalitarian government. refusing to accept the outcomes of elections.

they are seeking ways to move us away from representative form of government and toward true democracy.

they are giving greater and greater voice to socialists. they are talking about "planned economies" and seeking to centralize power and nationalize industry.

They left has become a danger to freedom.
When a progressive makes a claim against "the other side" you can bet it is they who are exactly that.

They claim to be:

tolerant, yet are completely intolerant of alternative views and ideas

You're a racist! Which in all likelihood means that they themselves are severe racists. They hate their own whiteness, or they aren't white and hate other whiteness. How is that not racism? This coming from a multi-racial person.

They hate religious suppression especially against Muslims, yet are dead quiet about Christians and Jews being murdered. 75% of religious persecution is against Christians and Jews. They are hypocrites.

White supremacy is on the rise and is out of control! No, actually white supremacy isn't out of control. How can it be when there are less than 6500 white supremacists nationwide? There was over 4000 black on black shootings in the last 12 months in Chicago, ALONE! There were less than 250 instances of white supremacist linked, loosely mind you, hate crimes nationwide. Which of the two is out of control?

It's this consistently selective ignorance and how they are oblivious to the contradictions that make them look like absolute lunatics to even the moderate liberals. I know because I am one.


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But I am cute. And my mother loved me. (I think)
If she keeps all of your participation trophies on a shelf, then you are absolutely correct. J/K, I'm sure she loves you just as my mom did me. Thank GOD for loving moms!

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Old 05-07-2019, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Vote thus far: 53-5 against.

Sanity reigns.
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