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Wrong. America was not practicing isolation with Japan, nor was Japan for that matter.
The US was far, far from practicing isolationism with Japan, we were fully engaged with them just short of actual combat, until they attacked of course.
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The combat phase was about a month. The occupation and "peacekeeping" phase is where we run into issues, where rules of engagement basically requires our soldiers to get shot at before shooting back. Our soldiers are very good at being soldiers, not so good at being police officers. In the combat phase we take very few casualties.
"Peacekeeping" phase? Is this some Orwellian speak? It was the war, the continuation after the Iraqi heavy weapons and C4I was defeated.
The combat in the sense of "normal" against the Iraqi army with the C&C structure lasted a short time, and that is because there was really none left.
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Iraq had a bigger and better army. The Iranian army would be defeated within 60 days. Then the question is whether we pull back or try to occupy. Occupation would be a decade or two affair.
Iraq in the Iraq War had nothing close to a real military force, they never got close to rebuilding after the Gulf War, and the sanctions all but did them in.
The US also had one great advantage, the ability to build up for months and months in neighboring countries. There is no such advantage with attacking Iran. We will not be able to build up a force and launch from a neighboring country, I doubt any will even give transit rights.
And another very crucial thing; Iraqis in general are well, pansies, wimps, among the worse ever, that is why they folded time after time after any combat engagement. They were laughing stocks during the Iran-Iraq War, last a few days against the US during the Gulf War, folded just as quick and dispersed the the Iraq War, and folded and ran when ISIS attacked. Only very few actually are even remotely close to having the personality and discipline to fight.
Iranians on the other hand, are pretty much opposite. It is a cultural thing, nothing can do about it. The Iranians are not going to tuck their tail and run. They are going to be stubborn, very stubborn, like the Vietnamese and Japanese were. Saddam found out the hard way when he attacked Iran, and ended up almost losing Iraq because of it.
Conservatives don't want a war. That's just something you made up.
You all sure loved GW Bush when he went to war in the middle east and his father back with desert storm. Then you turned on the Bushes when Trump told you to.
Prediction:
Within 6 months major full scale offensive against Iran. Just in time for the primaries. Only way Trump wins reelection. So what if he has to throw a country under the bus to accomplish this.
2nd Prediction. All the Trumpers will be 100% in favor of it. A few will grumble. But nothing helps poll numbers like a good old fashioned war.
You all sure loved GW Bush when he went to war in the middle east and his father back with desert storm. Then you turned on the Bushes when Trump told you to.
Prediction:
Within 6 months major full scale offensive against Iran. Just in time for the primaries.
2nd Prediction. All the Trumpers will be 100% in favor of it.
3rd prediction Trumpers who are in favor ofvwar will not fight in it but rather send their neighbors' kids to fight it.
4th prediction. When the invasion turns out to be a major cluster****, not a single Trumper will admit they were for it and will blame everyone but themselves.
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What is “a number of troubling and escalatory indications and warnings†it suggested were linked to Tehran.", maybe John Bolton could add more details to this perceived threat.
They have WMD's and something about yellow cake blah blah blah and Qutar.
Oh wait that was the justification for the last war. Silly me.
Bolton is a war hawk. You know something is going to happen to start ANOTHER war. Curious as to why Bolton, another Warhawk, who never served in the military. These big talkers all seemed to have avoided serving in the military yet they act like war is the answer to almost every problem.
That shows you what they're made of. They put in the talk, but they don't put in the walk. I guess formal English words for people who behave in that manner would be hippocritical, bigoted, insincere, disingenuous, pretentious....
As someone who is entirely on the side of Israel, even I see that as a bad move. Yes, Iran is responsible for funding Hezbollah with rockets which are then used to attack Israel. However, the recent sanctions and threats made by Bolton are only further alienating the regime from ever being brought to the table again.
How exactly would you proceed?
It's actually quite straight forward.
If Europe would go along with Trump's strategy here, I am convinced that this dilemma would be solved in no time, and without a war. Iran is leveraging its last remaining economic ties to Europe to gain traction against Trump. They are intentionally trying to drive a wedge between Europe and the US, and Europe is playing right into it. By eliminating Iran's last important economic lifeline, and by taking the US's side militarily, Iran would be pressured to come back to the table.
So the bigger question here is why are people undermining Trump, and not pushing our European allies to work with Trump so that a better deal can be made with Iran? That's the perplexing part to me... Europe holds the keys to solving this problem peacefully. Of course I know the real answer as to why is politics -- in particular Europe's disdain for Trump. Nobody wants to make the guy look good.
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If Europe would go along with Trump's strategy here, I am convinced that this dilemma would be solved in no time, and without a war. Iran is leveraging its last remaining economic ties to Europe to gain traction against Trump. They are intentionally trying to drive a wedge between Europe and the US, and Europe is playing right into it. By eliminating Iran's last important economic lifeline, and by taking the US's side militarily, Iran would be pressured to come back to the table.
So the bigger question here is why are people undermining Trump, and not pushing our European allies to work with Trump so that a better deal can be made with Iran? That's the perplexing part to me... Europe holds the keys to solving this problem peacefully. Of course I know the real answer as to why is politics -- in particular Europe's disdain for Trump. Nobody wants to make the guy look good.
Nobody wants a war with Iran or Iraq. This could be an attempt by Trump to bring us to the brink of war, then all of a sudden, put on his peacemaker hat, and try to make us think he's all about negotiations and peace. He has not one leg to stand on for political debating. He will be eaten alive by the people he will be debating with. He has no real constitution, he is a will o' the wisp president, and this whole situation could quite possibly be a last ditch attempt to gain some sort of credibility amongst American voters. To his chagrin, he seems to be the last one to know he got voted off the island.
That shows you what they're made of. They put in the talk, but they don't put in the walk. I guess formal English words for people who behave in that manner would be hippocritical, bigoted, insincere, disingenuous, pretentious....
Bolton is a chicken hawk who never served a day in the military.
If the bombs ever fly in this country he will be hiding in a bunker like a little girl barking orders while everyone else pays the price.
The ones with the biggest mouth never seem to have any skin in the game.
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