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This post is well written but wrong wrong wrong.Patriotism and exceptionalism are great. They are not part of a suicide pact.What the heck does that mean?Iran is doing a lot more than putting fingers on people. They are fomenting vicious wars in Yemen and Gaza through proxies the Houtis and Hama.We fought in Iraq hand-tied. There was more concern about the humiliation of a few prisoners at Abu Ghraib than the accomplishment of our objectives. To be clear the forces against which we are fighting are not constructive. Sticking your thumb in America's eyes should be painful.
This pretty much encapsulates everything that is wrong with this country.
Both the external and internal behaviors of the Iranian regime are horrendous. Any unbiased observer would agree that such behavior should be described as aggression, terrorism, and blatant violation of human rights. We're dealing with an extremist Islamist regime that not only has established hegemony from Iraq to Syria to Lebanon to Yemen, but is on the verge of developing nuclear arms and rapidly developing ballistic missiles, capable of carrying nuclear warheads, with ever expanding ranges. The Obama deal, in the long run, did NOTHING to change that. There are sunset clauses that put an end to whatever restrictions the regime committed to in the short term. There are NO restrictions on nuke-capable ballistic missile development. There are NO restrictions on malevolent Iranian behavior throughout the region, which includes massive financial and military support for internationally-designated terror organizations. In fact the deal gave the regime many $billions generated by business and trade. The history of the three years immediately following the Obama deal shows how the regime nefariously put those $billions to use.
Some posts on this forum clearly display isolationism (not pacifism). If this were the 1930's these isolationists would be very comfortable in the Bund and among the isolationists who kept the US out of intervening to help the anti-Nazi forces in Europe. Those isolationists succeeded until early 1942. By then the Germans had a tight grip on all of Europe. The war would have been significantly shortened and many millions of lives would have been saved had the philosophical forbearers of today's neo-isolationists not been successful.
Isolationism is a danger to the security of the US and should not be American strategy. A policy of isolationism is no policy at all. Such a non-policy will lead to the same tragedies that it led to in WWll.
The nuclear deal was never intended to address the Iranian support of other groups I don't think you understand that there were other sanctions to address that behavior. The nuclear deal might have changed behavior if their economy picked up but now we will never know. We didn't gain anything from backing out and Trump is at a loss for solutions, constantly piling on Iran isn't working so now its military threats.
Strangely you pick out Iran while ignoring Saudi Arabia's participation in Yemen and their funding for radical Madrassas by their royal family. Did you know that Iran fought along with Iraq to fight ISIS, we didn't seem to have a problem. The Iranian military is not "massive", their military spending is a fraction of the US and not even close to the top countries, they are not a large threat,
Dont generalize please. There are some sane arguments as to why US shouldnt fight others battles.
if you look at jbgusa's posts, he mostly mongers about Muslims, Iran, Palestine and why they shouldnt exist. And wants USA to fight their war.
I'm confused. I thought the U.N. and multilateral-ism was supposed to make the "Muslims, Iran, Palestine" behave as world citizens. The assumption that we would not need to fight a war was based on the assumption that the various parties would discuss their differences in a civilized manner rather than fight it out. The horrors of the world wars, in theory, convinced mankind to "beat their swords into plowshares” and learn war no more.
World peace was not designed to be a suicide pact for the civilized world whereby the West would surrender the option of war, and give way to every unreasonable demand a country such as Iran or a so-called entity such as "Palestine" would make.
Anytime anything happens in the geopolitics of the Middle East, I am inclined to remember this motto of a certain highly effective agency:
"By Way of Deception Though Shalt Wage War"
We don't know what really happened. But I do suspect a very good chance of a false flag operation to kick off what could easily evolve into WWIII. False Flags? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lin-a2lTelg&t=48s
This post is well written but wrong wrong wrong.Patriotism and exceptionalism are great. They are not part of a suicide pact.What the heck does that mean?Iran is doing a lot more than putting fingers on people. They are fomenting vicious wars in Yemen and Gaza through proxies the Houtis and Hama.We fought in Iraq hand-tied. There was more concern about the humiliation of a few prisoners at Abu Ghraib than the accomplishment of our objectives. To be clear the forces against which we are fighting are not constructive. Sticking your thumb in America's eyes should be painful.
My goodness...you actually said it. Simply unbelievable. You’re completely impervious to reason.
They are fomenting vicious wars in Yemen and Gaza through proxies the Houtis and Hama.We fought in Iraq hand-tied.
And the US does the exact same thing. Which part of that do you not understand?
The US terrorizes people, too.
That's what I did in Honduras.
Took my unit out to escort some suits from village to village in the mountain jungles to threaten and terrorize villagers into voting for the "right" candidate and the "right" candidate was the candidate backed by the US.
It's fun. You should try it some time.
You can look at villagers who are completely terrorized looking right back at you, because they know you're wrong, and you know you're wrong, and they know that you know you're wrong, and they're wondering why you're allowing this to happen, because we're the United States and this isn't supposed to be happening.
Ain't Democracy grand?
The people fighting proxy wars fomented by the US are called "freedom fighters."
There's an excellent novel, 1984, you should read it (and then read Animal Farm).
Whoever does the bidding of the US is called a "freedom fighter." Anyone opposed to the bidding of the US is called a "terrorist" or "communist" or whatever other cute label the US government choose to slap on them.
It means the intelligence is a fraud or that the information is presented in a way to insinuate something that isn't real. US intelligence isn't trustworthy whether it's directed attacks at Trump or used by Trump to justify attacks.
And the US does the exact same thing. Which part of that do you not understand?
The US terrorizes people, too.
That's what I did in Honduras.
Took my unit out to escort some suits from village to village in the mountain jungles to threaten and terrorize villagers into voting for the "right" candidate and the "right" candidate was the candidate backed by the US.
It's fun. You should try it some time.
You can look at villagers who are completely terrorized looking right back at you, because they know you're wrong, and you know you're wrong, and they know that you know you're wrong, and they're wondering why you're allowing this to happen, because we're the United States and this isn't supposed to be happening.
The people fighting proxy wars fomented by the US are called "freedom fighters."
There's an excellent novel, 1984, you should read it (and then read Animal Farm).
Whoever does the bidding of the US is called a "freedom fighter." Anyone opposed to the bidding of the US is called a "terrorist" or "communist" or whatever other cute label the US government choose to slap on them.
I read 1984 and I probably will read Animal Farm at your suggestion. I will report what I think.
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