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Old 05-09-2019, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Trump is basically a response to having Obama as President. While there were many who loved Obama, there are some who hated him. Some people hated the specter of having a Black person for President. What do you think all that birther bs was about? All that crap about "Obama is not an American" crap.

Some (and I say some because it doesn't apply to everyone) people were looking for that "great white hope". There were plenty of White candidates to choose from. There were certainly Republican candidates that I could have lived with. Kasich is one of them. When he was governor of Ohio, he got 26 percent of the state's Black vote. Trump has a history of talking trash about Black people. I think this is the candidate many people wanted. Some people wanted a candidate who talked poorly of Blacks.

And the MAGA thing? By its design it is not meant to include Black people. Some Black people have inserted themselves in it. However, it isn't that many. I personally know more Black people who have worn cowboy hats and John Deere apparel than MAGA hats. It's not that surprising that MAGA came up when it did. I kept hearing "make American great again". I'm thinking "great again"? When did America stop being great? When was it great before? How would it have been great for me?

I ask those questions of myself. I already suspect that #MAGA was never really meant for Black people. It's meaning is very vague. However, when you think about it, America never was great for everyone. Anytime before 1970 was a horrible time to be Black. You have to ask: When was America "Great"? Furthermore, what was "Great" about it? The vagueness leaves alot to the imagination.
Trump is a response to the left falsely playing the race card and using the deceitful identity politics. MAGA not meant to include blacks? LMAO That's just you, once again falsely playing the race card. Poor, poor me, I'm black so I need special attention.

At the end of the day it's a hat and a slogan. Anything to deflect away from the horrible big government policies you back that fail. Can't discuss policy so you falsely play the race card. Childish.

 
Old 05-09-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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One has to question this, especially those who were not living prior to the 70s. I'm not one for group think, but I do think people are parroting what they hear and do not know the meaning behind everything they are repeating. What do you think?
I wasn't living prior to the 70s. But my parents were. I know that in my father's time, there was immense housing discrimination in his city. Certain areas Blacks would have been legally barred from living in, if not outright sundown laws, restrictive covenants which included a "don't sell to Blacks" clause. And this was in northern cities. In the south, where my mother is from, she was the last person in her family who attended Jim Crow segregated schools (albeit, only for about 2 years). Most of my mothers siblings went to school during the Jim Crow era. The town my mother grew up in was a hot bed for the KKK.

I'm not for group think either. I do have an understanding of American history. I understand that with some of the difficulties I have now, I have far more freedom in this era than I would have had in the 50s.

Now, with MAGA, that is a very vague acronym. "Make America Great Again" does not have alot of clear and concrete meaning on its own, especially if you just take it for face value. However, considering the political climate and some of the things Trump has said, I assume it isn't meant for someone like me.
 
Old 05-09-2019, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I wasn't living prior to the 70s. But my parents were. I know that in my father's time, there was immense housing discrimination in his city. Certain areas Blacks would have been legally barred from living in, if not outright sundown laws, restrictive covenants which included a "don't sell to Blacks" clause. And this was in northern cities. In the south, where my mother is from, she was the last person in her family who attended Jim Crow segregated schools (albeit, only for about 2 years). Most of my mothers siblings went to school during the Jim Crow era. The town my mother grew up in was a hot bed for the KKK.

I'm not for group think either. I do have an understanding of American history. I understand that with some of the difficulties I have now, I have far more freedom in this era than I would have had in the 50s.

Now, with MAGA, that is a very vague acronym. "Make America Great Again" does not have alot of clear and concrete meaning on its own, especially if you just take it for face value. However, considering the political climate and some of the things Trump has said, I assume it isn't meant for someone like me.
It doesn't have meaning because it's a slogan and a hat. Just like "Yes We Can" had no value. Granted all you're interested in is falsely playing the race card and wanting to be treated like a victim. Poor, poor me, even though others make I can't so please give me special treatment.
 
Old 05-09-2019, 10:09 AM
 
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Exactly, and that is why those MAGA hats are implicitly offensive to many black people. I mean, think about it. Its all about the "timing". You have the first black president, then after that.....America needs to be made great again? Or are they talking about going back to the 50's as the baseline for when America was Great? Either way, the implications is that things were Great when blacks were down...and blacks were not able not rising to positions such as President.
So it's okay for Obama to campaign on a Change slogan but not Trump on MAGA ?
You're talking codswallop.
 
Old 05-09-2019, 10:11 AM
 
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It doesn't have meaning because it's a slogan and a hat. Just like "Yes We Can" had no value. Granted all you're interested in is falsely playing the race card and wanting to be treated like a victim. Poor, poor me, even though others make I can't so please give me special treatment.
He plays the race card in every single post.
I presume there are quite a few black people on here who express views without having to describe their race.
It's done deliberately,of course.
I call it the Jussie Smollett tactic.
 
Old 05-09-2019, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Texas
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So it's okay for Obama to campaign on a Change slogan but not Trump on MAGA ?
You're talking codswallop.
It's not racist when a black man does it. That's the crutch for those who play identity politics.
 
Old 05-09-2019, 10:51 AM
 
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So it's okay for Obama to campaign on a Change slogan but not Trump on MAGA ?
You're talking codswallop.

"Again" in the context used in the MAGA movement, implies going back to the way something USED to be. Change from the new back to the old. The change Obama was referring to was something totally new. He was campaigning, in my interpretation, to create a NEW era, post racial and cooperative. America NEVER had that so he was not talking about change BACK to something old, but change to something totally new.....in my interpretation.


The "old America" in "again" was white male centric. That is when it was "great" in the opinion of many.

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Old 05-09-2019, 10:52 AM
 
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It's not racist when a black man does it. That's the crutch for those who play identity politics.

I think you forgot to mention single black families. Isn't that your go to move?
 
Old 05-09-2019, 12:53 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Exactly, and that is why those MAGA hats are implicitly offensive to many black people. I mean, think about it. Its all about the "timing". You have the first black president, then after that.....America needs to be made great again? Or are they talking about going back to the 50's as the baseline for when America was Great? Either way, the implications is that things were Great when blacks were down...and blacks were not able not rising to positions such as President.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvXLREW3ZvM




Then it gets real
Watch this uninformed young Americans eyes and manner once she gets a taste of reality.
It is not a 180, but a lot more than 90
Red Pilled in real time
 
Old 05-09-2019, 12:56 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvXLREW3ZvM




Then it gets real
Watch this uninformed young Americans eyes and manner once she gets a taste of reality.
It is not a 180, but a lot more than 90
Red Pilled in real time
If the whole point is to get Black people to support Trump, it's not going to happen.
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