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As a Libertarian - I support our 2nd Amendment. But, the old arguments I made (although, still valid) are having to be modified. My arguments were/are still, an armed populace keeps government honest and if you are not armed - then the criminals will have free reign (police only show up to zip up body bags). But, now we have to have an armed population because we have people, who purchased their guns legally and have no criminal records - that can go bats*** crazy at any moment and without any warning! We, the law abiding citizen; now have to worry about the other law abiding citizens because, at any moment, they can stop being law-abiding citizens and kill you. What has happened to us?
I repped you not only for your opinion, but because you seem to be one of the minority of posters on the P&OC forum who keep at least a somewhat open mind and are willing to change it if convinced that your mind should be changed about an issue.
Why can't we just pass more ineffective gun laws that restrict the rights of people who didn't commit this crime? That would make us feel better, wouldn't it?
I hate to say this, but I hope the gun advocates have something like this hit their home like it has ours.
Without going too much on a rambling rant here....
This is what modern progressive society gets us
-We have become less religious, less loving, less treat others how you want to be treated
-As parents we've decided to make excuses for our kids and to not parent them but to be their friends
-On top of it modern feminism and consumer society has made it so the kids and family have the mom's working partly because they feel they are supposed to and partly to provide every possible thing for the kids at the expense of not being home as much and relying on before or after school programs to raise kids while both parents work so they can afford cable, cell phones, Xbox live subscriptions etc..
-many families don't have 2 parents for a multitude of reasons. Again feminism is a major cause of single mom households and it's had disasterous effects on kids especially boys growing up without a dad in the house.
-instead of parenting our kids we are too quick to medicate them and just throw them on pills. I believe this is a serious effect
-we let kids get way too wrapped up in electronics and social media. They are losing their human interaction and connection. These are major social skills being lost here.
-the more pop culture has turned anti gun, the more school shootings there have been. Let me explain what I mean. I head stories all the time in the past it was perfectly normal to bring you gun in your vehicle to school for either a school shooting club, to go hunting after class etc. That would be unthinkable now. Gradually suburban or urban families stopped teaching their kids about guns and the respect to have for them. So as guns became less popular kids lost a familiarity and respect for them.
Just a few thoughts I rambled off
All very good points, an I feel spot on. I for one am not a fan of religion, but was raised Catholic when I was younger. Religion, as much as I dislike it , is a way to keep people moral to a point. It is a way of control, and maybe that control is what is needed.
It seems like most of our society is leaning towards less violence (overall violence is down) while an extremely small segment is going the other way. Lashing out in anger and violence. Why is the big question, and how to stop it.
Without going too much on a rambling rant here....
This is what modern progressive society gets us
-We have become less religious, less loving, less treat others how you want to be treated
-As parents we've decided to make excuses for our kids and to not parent them but to be their friends
-On top of it modern feminism and consumer society has made it so the kids and family have the mom's working partly because they feel they are supposed to and partly to provide every possible thing for the kids at the expense of not being home as much and relying on before or after school programs to raise kids while both parents work so they can afford cable, cell phones, Xbox live subscriptions etc..
-many families don't have 2 parents for a multitude of reasons. Again feminism is a major cause of single mom households and it's had disasterous effects on kids especially boys growing up without a dad in the house.
-instead of parenting our kids we are too quick to medicate them and just throw them on pills. I believe this is a serious effect
-we let kids get way too wrapped up in electronics and social media. They are losing their human interaction and connection. These are major social skills being lost here.
-the more pop culture has turned anti gun, the more school shootings there have been. Let me explain what I mean. I head stories all the time in the past it was perfectly normal to bring you gun in your vehicle to school for either a school shooting club, to go hunting after class etc. That would be unthinkable now. Gradually suburban or urban families stopped teaching their kids about guns and the respect to have for them. So as guns became less popular kids lost a familiarity and respect for them.
Just a few thoughts I rambled off
Um what statistics do you have to suggest guns are less popular?
Sales have continued to be strong and steady and as guns aren't the kind of product that 'wear out' -- increased sales each year means a healthy stash of guns
Did you read the history of school shooting incidents. This isn't a new thing...it's grown -- but so has gun ownership and society's intolerance of others.
And blame the kids, the parents -- but as a society we are more intolerant and resentful of those that don't think like us, look like us.
It's a hateful country right now. The left blames the right, the right blames the left and nobody does anything to change it -- just let it grow. In fact the politicians -- our leaders -- on both sides -- use it as tools to keep their jobs. And we let them.
It's not religion. Often religion can and does use 'hateful' rhetoric to support their agenda.
We are making assumptions about these kid shooters based on our narrative.
We don't know what kind of parents these kids had?
We don't know if they were strict and the kids were rebelling.
We don't know if they were lenient and the kids were left to go wild.
We are making huge assumptions based on the narratives in our head.
What the heck is so wrong with a student who thinks he can or should shoot others? Seriously we have always had firearms around, but something is obviously different now. Have personality orders become acceptable in society? I don't get it. Where are their freaking parents?
You have way too many democrats advocating violence and vulgar discourse toward republicans/conservatives and it gets no recrimination from democrats who mostly control our cultural narrative.
# Maxine Waters encourages people to harass and abuse republicans.
# Multiple Liberal celebrities have requested assassinatiing of Trump
#A democrat advocated raping Melania.
# Teenagers wearing MAGA hats are beaten up by democrats and no liberal media condemns it.
# Democrats chase and harass republicans out of restaurants and public places and the liberal media applauds it.
# Democrats use foul vulgar language daily to describe their hatred of conservatives and Trump..
# Democrats control the entertainment industry which spews out perverse gun violence, perverse sexual violence, and hate 24/7.
# Democrats have become masters at hateful character assassination —. Sarah Sanders, Covington kid, Kavanaugh, Barr, etc etc
# Texas just arrested four more democrats who beat up MAGA hat werarers.
# A mom and two teenagers were just praying in front of an abortion clinic and they were harassed, videoed, and threatened by a democrat congressman!!! No recriminations from dem leaders or media!!!!
etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
You tell me where this behavior in our culture is coming from....
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Did you start a thread about the news for shootings and number of dead in Baltimore, st.Louis, or Chicago in the last few days?
Gang members shooting each other are no threat to students, movie theaters, malls, churches, synagogues, bowling alleys, etc. Why should anyone start a thread about them?
All very good points, an I feel spot on. I for one am not a fan of religion, but was raised Catholic when I was younger. Religion, as much as I dislike it , is a way to keep people moral to a point. It is a way of control, and maybe that control is what is needed.
It seems like most of our society is leaning towards less violence (overall violence is down) while an extremely small segment is going the other way. Lashing out in anger and violence. Why is the big question, and how to stop it.
Suggesting folks that don't have religion in their life are less moral is ludicrous.
I know as many people who are 'religious' as aren't at all -- and kids who are raised religious and others that aren't.
There is no direct correlation in their behaviour. Their isn't.
Being kind, patient, tolerant, not violent aren't just attributes that folks brought up in religion have.
The suggestion is that there is some kind of wild underground where all the unreligious people are brought up on hate, violence - no moral compass.
That's just not accurate.
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