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Old 05-10-2019, 09:45 PM
Status: "Did I just roll my eyes out loud?" (set 4 days ago)
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Originally Posted by In2itive_1 View Post
I mentioned one earlier, being mad and resentful that he "couldn't get the hot girls". It seems that there have been others who were also "not popular", lashing out at others. Sheesh.
Ah, the School Shooter As Victim of Bullying Theory. Let's see how that plays out....
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But Dave Cullen, author of Columbine, the definitive book on the 1999 Columbine High School shooting in Colorado, says those stereotypes were never true to begin with.

"Everybody knows who commits these kind of murders. They're outcasts, typically goth or other sorts of kids that dress funny and live on the fringes," Cullen said. "That's well known. It's also wrong."
Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris were not the poor little bullied kids they were initially made out to be.

Think school shooters are usually bullied and unpopular?

And about the latest shooting in Colorado....

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One of the students accused of opening fire at a Denver area STEM school, killing one student and wounding eight other people, bullied younger kids and would make jokes about shooting up the school, students said.
Suspected Colorado STEM shooter was a bully, made jokes about school shootings, students say

School shooters don't fit a single profile They're not all outcases, they're not all mentally ill. They're not all on some kind of medication. They're not all rich,poor, or middle class. They're not all from broken homes. They don't all "disrespect" their parents or hate God, America and apple pie. They are all white, Baptist, Islamic, black, bi, straight or gay, Republican, Democrat, sports fans or D&D nerds.

They're not all anything.

That's what I have been trying to say. You folks who think there is one answer to this horrific problem are just wrong. It's not all guns or mental health issues or hatred or bullying or anything.
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Old 05-10-2019, 09:46 PM
 
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The female shooting suspect is transgender and insists on being addressed/referred to with male pronouns.
They were also upset that their abusive, multiple-felon, illegal immigrant father was recently deported again.
Seems one thing these shooters have in common is that they tend to be lefties.
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Old 05-11-2019, 01:19 AM
 
Location: A State of Mind
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Ah, the School Shooter As Victim of Bullying Theory. Let's see how that plays out....

School shooters don't fit a single profile They're not all outcases, they're not all mentally ill. They're not all on some kind of medication. They're not all rich,poor, or middle class. They're not all from broken homes. They don't all "disrespect" their parents or hate God, America and apple pie. They are all white, Baptist, Islamic, black, bi, straight or gay, Republican, Democrat, sports fans or D&D nerds.

They're not all anything.

That's what I have been trying to say. You folks who think there is one answer to this horrific problem are just wrong. It's not all guns or mental health issues or hatred or bullying or anything.
I for one, didn't say these incidents were due to one being bullied or thought of as "poor little kids", victims, etc., but no matter what, were emotionally disturbed to react that way. As said, one guy felt "so rejected by girls", he had different guns and shot MANY at the school and then, himself. (Right, the natural response to rejection). That is the issue, that he hadn't gotten help to deal with his feelings in a different way.

Those reacting this way may not all be the same in personality or background, but have in common the impulse to attack, due to emotional pain they have not dealt with. What they have in common is having somewhere along the line developed a problem, not having it recognized or treated. No matter what, those having reacted as they had (or an adult having done similarly) are emotionally unwell.

So, you do not believe anything is the cause for one to react in this way?
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Old 05-11-2019, 02:53 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Remove those numbers and suicides from the US totals and our gun deaths are not very high compared to other countries that allow firearm ownership similar to ours.
Really.

US CDC figures show that 14,542 people were killed in firearm homicides in the US in 2017.

Gun deaths in US rise to highest level in 20 years, data shows | The Guardian

The figure for England and Wales with a population of nearly 60 million was 29 people last year.

Whilst Scotland has seen largest fall in firearms crime since records began and in terms of Australia, it also has a much lower rate of firearms homicides.

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

In terms of suicide the US has a far higher suicide rate, indeed of the 39,773 people in the US lost their lives at the point of a gunin 2017, 24,000 committed suicide, 14,542 were homicides and the rest were made up of gun accidents.
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Old 05-11-2019, 03:59 AM
 
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Really.

US CDC figures show that 14,542 people were killed in firearm homicides in the US in 2017.

Gun deaths in US rise to highest level in 20 years, data shows | The Guardian

The figure for England and Wales with a population of nearly 60 million was 29 people last year.

Whilst Scotland has seen largest fall in firearms crime since records began and in terms of Australia, it also has a much lower rate of firearms homicides.

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

In terms of suicide the US has a far higher suicide rate, indeed of the 39,773 people in the US lost their lives at the point of a gunin 2017, 24,000 committed suicide, 14,542 were homicides and the rest were made up of gun accidents.
The 14k figure includes justifiable also though...police, self defense etc..
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Old 05-11-2019, 04:04 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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The 14k figure includes justifiable also though...police, self defense etc..
There was 1 Fatal Police shooting in England and Wales in 2018, and although you are allowed to use reasonable force in mot countries, justifable self defence killings using firearms are even more rare than police shootings, and the same applies to most western countries.
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Old 05-11-2019, 04:10 AM
 
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There was 1 Fatal Police shooting in England and Wales in 2018, and although you are allowed to use reasonable force in mot countries, justifable self defence killings using firearms are even more rare than police shootings, and the same applies to most western countries.
...And?


I was clarifying the US 14k number so as not to imply those were all murders.
But even if they were that's still just an incident rate of .000048%
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Old 05-11-2019, 04:15 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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...And?


I was clarifying the US 14k number so as not to imply those were all murders.
But even if they were that's still just an incident rate of .000048%
And I was simply stating it doesn't matter when comparing the figures with other nations, as police and self defence shootings are so rare as to make little differene in most western countries.
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Old 05-11-2019, 04:23 AM
 
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And I was simply stating it doesn't matter when comparing the figures with other nations, as police and self defence shootings are so rare as to make little differene in most western countries.
Last FBI justifiable homicide number was for 2015. The number for total firearms was 268.
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Old 05-11-2019, 04:31 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Last FBI justifiable homicide number was for 2015. The number for total firearms was 268.
Which desn't make a lot of impact on the over 14,000 homicides figure in the US.

Not sure what point you are trying to make, other than America has a high firearms homicide rate and this includes a relatively high number of police shootings by international standards and justifiable homicide shooting.

Although even after you take such shootings out of the equation the US still has well over 13,000 Firearms Homicides, compared to very few in many other countries with some restrictions including those on centre fire semi automatic weapons and in terms of ammunition, which is generally rimfire and guns must be .22, except for soecial licences issued to those hunting/culling deer and large mammals.
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