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Old 05-11-2019, 04:56 AM
 
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Which desn't make a lot of impact on the over 14,000 homicides figure in the US.

Not sure what point you are trying to make, other than America has a high firearms homicide rate and this includes a relatively high number of police shootings by international standards and justifiable homicide shooting.

Although even after you take such shootings out of the equation the US still has well over 13,000 Firearms Homicides, compared to very few in many other countries with some restrictions including those on centre fire semi automatic weapons and in terms of ammunition, which is generally rimfire and guns must be .22, except for soecial licences issued to those hunting/culling deer and large mammals.
If you exclude gang/drug shootings the US homicide rate would be almost nothing.




We don't have a gun problem, we have a criminal problem.


According to the FBI 80-90% of all felonies are committed by previously convicted felons yet the left doesn't want them removed from society...same with the mentally ill.
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Old 05-11-2019, 05:27 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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If you exclude gang/drug shootings the US homicide rate would be almost nothing.


We don't have a gun problem, we have a criminal problem.

According to the FBI 80-90% of all felonies are committed by previously convicted felons yet the left doesn't want them removed from society...same with the mentally ill.
You have a school shooting and gun massacre problem, as for a criminal poblem it's not unique to the US.

What is unique is the levels of gun violence in the US and the gun laws, which are still lax in relation to centre fire semi automatics and some other weapons.

I am not actually Anti-Gun, and fully support target/sports shooting and hunting, however other countries manage such activities with much better regulations and training in place.

Where the US want's to draw the ine in relation to guns and ammunitions is part of the debate now taking place in the US, in terms of other countries gun politics are not really a big issue, and the current laws introduced following gun massacres seem to work okay in most countries.
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Old 05-11-2019, 05:33 AM
 
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You have a school shooting and gun massacre problem, as for a criminal poblem it's not unique to the US.

What is unique is the levels of gun violence in the US and the gun laws, which are still lax in relation to centre fire semi automatics and some other weapons.

I am not actually Anti-Gun, and fully support target/sports shooting and hunting, however other countries manage such activities with much better regulations and training in place.

Where the US want's to draw the ine in relation to guns and ammunitions is part of the debate now taking place in the US, in terms of other countries gun politics are not really a big issue, and the current laws introduced following gun massacres seem to work okay in most countries.
You clearly do not know what the 2nd Amendment is about....HINT...it's not about hunting and target shooting.


This should make you proud....violent crime up 19%....but hey...no guns!


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46984559
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Old 05-11-2019, 06:00 AM
 
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Been saying for years and the wife agrees.

Yes need to improve the background checks

Outside of that we need more funding in the Education system for mental health and social services

A National Department of Mental Health and Addiction

Universal Mental Health Care
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Old 05-11-2019, 07:23 AM
 
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...And?

I was clarifying the US 14k number so as not to imply those were all murders.
But even if they were that's still just an incident rate of .000048%
Just think of all the lefties clamoring for health care paid for by someone else. Why aren't they completely repulsed by how many people in the US die each year due to medical professionals' mistakes? Medical errors kill 250,000/year (Johns Hopkins Study). You're 7.4 times more likely to die from a medical professional's error than from a firearm discharge. Ban health care.

14,000 deaths compared to 250,000 deaths. WHICH is the MUCH bigger problem?
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Old 05-11-2019, 07:26 AM
 
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Just think of all the lefties clamoring for health care paid for by someone else. Why aren't they completely repulsed by how many people in the US die each year due to medical professionals' mistakes? Medical errors kill 250,000/year (Johns Hopkins Study). You're 7.4 times more likely to die from a medical professional's error than a firearm. Ban health care.

14,000 deaths compared to 250,000 deaths. WHICH is the MUCH bigger problem?
But, but but Doctors s a v e l i v e s t o o- o o h! Is what you'll hear.
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Old 05-11-2019, 07:31 AM
 
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But, but but Doctors s a v e l i v e s t o o- o o h! Is what you'll hear.
The lethal errors are made by MDs, RNs, and pharmacists. They're human, after all, and will not be perfect every time. The gist of it is that the US, with 400 million guns owned by its 325 million citizens, has only 14,000 non-self-inflicted firearm deaths/year, most attributable to criminals, gang members, etc., but has 250,000 deaths/year attributable to medical professionals' errors.
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Old 05-11-2019, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Seems like the lefty news media lost interest really fast in the last Colorado school shooting. How come?

As pointed out in the linked opinion story, it had all of the ingredients of a ratings bonanza. Besides being a school not far from Columbine:

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"One student, who is being hailed as a hero, Kendrick Castillo, was killed; eight others were wounded; and the two suspected shooters, Devon Erickson (18) and Maya McKinney (16), are still alive! That means upcoming court appearances, trials, attorney interviews, interviews with parents and maybe even the suspects themselves. This is what our media would normally call a Narrative Bonanza, the kind of story that hooks viewers and keeps them tuning in to see how it all ends."

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...hool-shooting/
Yet 3 days later, nada. Dropped quicker than a hot potato.

Politically inconvenient?

Trans shooter (1 of 2 shooters)
Registered Democrat, other shooter
Shooter hates Trump, loves Obama
Hates Christians (social media)
“666,” what looks like a pentagram, and “**** society” spray painted on one shooter's car
Stole guns out of a locked cabinet
Both shooters have mental health issues

Not exactly the MAGA hat wearing deplorables, are they?
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Old 05-11-2019, 09:49 AM
 
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Seems like the lefty news media lost interest really fast in the last Colorado school shooting. How come?

As pointed out in the linked opinion story, it had all of the ingredients of a ratings bonanza. Besides being a school not far from Columbine:



Yet 3 days later, nada. Dropped quicker than a hot potato.

Politically inconvenient?

Trans shooter (1 of 2 shooters)
Registered Democrat, other shooter
Shooter hates Trump, loves Obama
Hates Christians (social media)
“666,” what looks like a pentagram, and “**** society” spray painted on one shooter's car
Stole guns out of a locked cabinet
Both shooters have mental health issues

Not exactly the MAGA hat wearing deplorables, are they?
You forgot that the trans shooter's father was an illegal and felon who had domestic abuse charges.
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Old 05-11-2019, 09:50 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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You have a school shooting and gun massacre problem, as for a criminal poblem it's not unique to the US.

What is unique is the levels of gun violence in the US and the gun laws, which are still lax in relation to centre fire semi automatics and some other weapons.

I am not actually Anti-Gun, and fully support target/sports shooting and hunting, however other countries manage such activities with much better regulations and training in place.

Where the US want's to draw the ine in relation to guns and ammunitions is part of the debate now taking place in the US, in terms of other countries gun politics are not really a big issue, and the current laws introduced following gun massacres seem to work okay in most countries.
There is no getting the toothpaste back into the tube here and I don't know why you keep bringing it up as some kind of solution. We aren't an island, we have more firearms than people here. We allow in more immigrants than any other country illegal and legal.

We already have thousands of gun laws on every level. Especially stupid ones, like AW bans and restrictions on ammo.

Bottom line is, we have a Constitution. It's not all perfect but we will adapt. Your chances of dying in a mass murder are still less than 1/10 of 1%.
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