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Old 05-10-2019, 08:01 AM
 
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That chart is for Key West Florida, not the globe...I'm not surprised that you aren't aware of the difference.
The conversation was about Miami, Fl...not the globe...I'm not surprised you don't know the difference

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If you live near the shore in Miami you might care
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Old 05-10-2019, 08:09 AM
 
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Wasn't the coast supposed to be under 12 feet of water by now? Isn't that what Algore said?
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Old 05-10-2019, 08:33 AM
 
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Wasn't the coast supposed to be under 12 feet of water by now? Isn't that what Algore said?
These threads expose the startling level of scientific illiteracy.
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Old 05-10-2019, 08:53 AM
 
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The global warming scam is the government's claim they can reverse it by raising taxes.

and loading up on regulations, dont forget the regulations.


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I don't see the market place changing this on their own certainly with cheap energy with gas at over $2 per gallon. If you live near the shore in Miami you might care but I doubt those living in Denver care although they will be footing the bill,

who drives the marketplace? the consumer. if the consumer demands green products and green energy, then you can bet that business will fill the demand, it sin their best interest to do so.


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We should have been changing decades ago so it could be done gradually but here we are with some still arguing that its not a problem. The growing economies of China are a problem but if for nothing else they can see the downside of their actions purely based on air pollution and shortened life expectancy.

i agree, we have put off for too long converting to alternative sources of energy. at least at the high levels, backyard mechanics have done many conversions to alternate fuels and other forms of energy. some of us even make our own fuels, or can make our own fuels if necessary, and we can tune our vehicles to handle these fuels.


but once again its the marketplace that drives business, and since the consumer isnt pushing for alternative energy, and alternative fuels, business isnt going to jump in feet first until they have reason to.


lets take ethanol for instance, its renewable, and can easily be used in most any internal combustion engine, diesel engines excepted but engine builders still experiment using alcohol in diesel engines, with a few simple changes and a proper tune. in fact with modern EFI systems, there should be no reason that one cant run everything from straight gasoline to straight alcohol and everything in between with a proper fuel sensor.


the drawbacks is less energy per gallon in ethanol than in gasoline, meaning lower fuel economy, and alcohol acts as a solvent, so a few changes need to be made to the fuel system to avoid issues. but these changes are already known, and since the introduction of E10 gasoline, have been done over the years.


so understand that with every different fuel source, there are supporters and detractors, and all to often the detractors scream the loudest, and as such the alternative fuel in question is pushed aside in the market place and left t guys like me that want to use these fuels to power our vehicles to come up with conversions to make them work.


and by the way it isnt the oil companies pushing these issues, its more often the so called environmentalists doing it. the oil companies have been developing alternative fuels over the years, but because there is no real market demand for them, they dont push them that hard.
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Old 05-10-2019, 08:56 AM
 
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These threads expose the startling level of scientific illiteracy.

actually that is true, it exposes the scientific illiteracy of the AGW alarmists like al gore and AOC constantly pushing stupid positions and making claims that are nowhere near being anything even remotely close to the truth.
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Old 05-10-2019, 09:00 AM
 
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These threads expose the startling level of scientific illiteracy.
I didn't say I believed Algore...I was laughing at his claim!
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Old 05-10-2019, 09:12 AM
 
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Thatís true for cigarettes too. Everyone knows that cigarettes are harmless. Unfortunately, liberal scientists pushed the myth that cigarettes were harmful.

And dope is harmless but liberals ignore scientific evidence that shows otherwise.
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