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Old 05-09-2019, 08:07 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Many rural school districts pay very low wages. My daughter has a teaching certificate, but can't afford to teach. While in college, she was Asst, Mgr. at a Burger King and made more than the local teachers.
Where is this?

At my daughters school they start at ~45K with most making ~55 to 60K and a few at the top around 75K.

Not rich by any means but far from minimum wage.
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Old 05-09-2019, 08:10 AM
 
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Where is this?

At my daughters school they start at ~45K with most making ~55 to 60K and a few at the top around 75K.

Not rich by any means but far from minimum wage.
Missouri, The state average is around $59,000, but most rural districts pay less than $30,000. Burger King Asst Mgr makes a lot more than minimum wage.
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Old 05-09-2019, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Tea...0Yd2_xCXZ4862M


Teacher with breast cancer on medical leave, is forced to pay for substitute.
If a teacher uses all accumulated sick leave and continues to be absent AFTER 5 MONTHS, the teacher’s salary is used to pay the substitute teacher.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/l...come/474610903

Obviously, the unions were not powerful enough to negotiate a better deal.

Reportedly, 35-50% of employees ( depends on source) do not get a sick day/ time off benefits. Most are employees of small businesses or work part time jobs.
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Old 05-09-2019, 08:14 AM
 
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My daughter just told me, our school district starts at less than $25,000 a year. Full time subs make $16,000 for teaching every day. I wondered why a couple local teachers work as waitresses on weekends.
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Old 05-09-2019, 08:14 AM
 
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Missouri, The state average is around $59,000, but most rural districts pay less than $30,000. Burger King Asst Mgr makes a lot more than minimum wage.
That Asst. mgr at Burger King also works more hours, get's no holidays, summers, spring break, Christmas break off etc.
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Old 05-09-2019, 08:18 AM
 
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If a teacher uses all accumulated sick leave and continues to be absent AFTER 5 MONTHS, the teacher’s salary is used to pay the substitute teacher.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/l...come/474610903

Obviously, the unions were not powerful enough to negotiate a better deal.

Reportedly, 35-50% of employees ( depends on source) do not get a sick day/ time off benefits. Most are employees of small businesses or work part time jobs.
ok this makes more sense now. The teacher isn't paying them from their paycheck. The teacher on leave isn't being paid their salary anyway after they exhaust all PTO so the salary set aside for that teacher is used for the substitute. That makes perfect sense. It isn't the sick teachers money anyway.
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Old 05-09-2019, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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The shortage probably started when society start letting the students and the parents run the classrooms.
I was going to change fields in my early 30s to go into teaching but second guessed it because of what I was seeing at the time was kids controlling the classroom along with the parents. No way would I want to put up with that crap.



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I know people want charter schools and more private schools. But has anyone asked of there will be any teachers left after our current group retires. You don't see young teachers in schools like you used to 15 years ago.

Teachers are aging fast and enrollment into education fields have tanked. We have been crapping on teachers as long as I can remember. I'm starting to think the limiting factor in education in 10 years is finding someone to actually teach.
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Old 05-09-2019, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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How on earth does this jive with FMLA?
FMLA is about job, not income protection. It allows employees to take UNPAID leave for up to 12 weeks.

California teachers tend to bank sick leave to ensure continuation of income. The deduction of the sub’s compensation occurs AFTER 5 Months of leave.

Tens of millions of people do not get any paid time off or short/ long term disability insurance.
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Old 05-09-2019, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I know people want charter schools and more private schools. But has anyone asked of there will be any teachers left after our current group retires. You don't see young teachers in schools like you used to 15 years ago.

Teachers are aging fast and enrollment into education fields have tanked. We have been crapping on teachers as long as I can remember. I'm starting to think the limiting factor in education in 10 years is finding someone to actually teach.
Generally speaking, charter and private school educators are not compensated as well as those in public schools. Nor do they receive the same level of benefits. Teachers in charter schools have and will continue to organize.

At some future point in time, AI and online education will likely replace education as we know it. China and South Korea are heavily invested in technologies that can monitor student physical reactions to material to determine who gets it versus not.

No shortage of people seem to expect ( so- called greedy) teachers, MDs and healthcare workers to work at less than current market rates for the good of society.

The US tax code has long favored breeding regardless of the breeder’s ability to take full or any financial responsibility for their children. The 2018 tax code reform doubled the refundable child tax credit.
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Old 05-09-2019, 08:41 AM
 
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I am for teachers getting paid more. However, the qualifications, experience, the what/where of what they are teaching, and similar factors should be considered. For example, a first-time high school English teacher in Fargo, ND should not expect to make the same as of teacher that has 15 years of teaching trigonometry at a NYC high school.

Also, if we are going on the logic of equal representation, it would be nice if we had nearly as many male teachers as female teachers. That is, at least from what I have read or experienced, there are a lot more female teachers at American schools than male teachers, depending on the subject. Thus, those women may or may not earn more then the men, depending on qualifications, experience, the what/where of what they are teaching, etc.
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