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Old 05-09-2019, 01:48 PM
 
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Citizens United is one of the worst things that has ever happened to this country. There should be limitations on campaign contributions. And there should be a light shined on the dark money that is pervasive in both parties. It's ridiculous.
You know, I scoff at people who bandy about hyperbole that "[X] is one of the worst things that has ever happened to this country" but in the case of Citizens United, I actually believe it to be true.
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Old 05-09-2019, 01:50 PM
 
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if Pencil Neck tried to pass an amendment giving me million dollars i would be against it.


even if i were for it.




anything that bottom feeder is involved in aint good for America. read the fine print. this will somehow be about advancing democrats and hurting republicans. the man is incapable of a good act.
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Old 05-09-2019, 01:53 PM
 
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You know, I scoff at people who bandy about hyperbole that "[X] is one of the worst things that has ever happened to this country" but in the case of Citizens United, I actually believe it to be true.
you do know that CU actually just leveled the playing field right?


Unions were doing what businesses couldn't. CU allowed companies to do what unions do.


personally i would like to see a rule that prevented any organization for candidates. only hard money. with hard limits both for each candidate, and in total for political giving.




with ONLY the candidate being able to campaign on his/her own behalf. I would end 100% of all dark money and all pac spending on candidates
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Old 05-09-2019, 02:07 PM
 
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you do know that CU actually just leveled the playing field right?

Unions were doing what businesses couldn't. CU allowed companies to do what unions do.

personally i would like to see a rule that prevented any organization for candidates. only hard money. with hard limits both for each candidate, and in total for political giving.

with ONLY the candidate being able to campaign on his/her own behalf. I would end 100% of all dark money and all pac spending on candidates
I agree with ending all dark money. And the first step to ending 100% of dark money would be a Constitutional Amendment undoing Citizens United, so...
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Old 05-09-2019, 02:14 PM
 
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Who would be against this?
I would.

This is the answer: AMENDMENT XXVIII

Section 1

No person or organization shall contribute money, or goods or services in kind, or tangible property to a campaign or candidate for political office, or to a ballot issue or ballot measure who shall not be legally eligible to vote for the candidate or to vote for the ballot issue or ballot measure.

Section 2

Political parties shall disburse monies only within the State in which the campaign funds were raised, donated or accumulated, and shall not transfer monies to other States.

Section 3

Any person who knowingly or willfully commits a violation of this Amendment shall be imprisoned for not less than 10 years and fined not less than 300 percent of the amount of money, goods or services or tangible property transferred or conferred upon the candidate, campaign or ballot measure.

Section 4

The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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Old 05-09-2019, 02:18 PM
 
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Ahh someone gets it. You either are bound by personhood or not. If so then a crime that carries jail time would require that corporation to complete that time. If that means they shutter for 2 years for a two year term, not my problem.

Its also not my problem if my Plumber goes out of business because he is locked up for tax fraud. That is personhood.
Corporations are not bound by a natural person's life span. The fines they receive for breaking laws just permits them to do a cost analysis of whether the benefit of breaking the law is worth it.
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Old 05-09-2019, 02:23 PM
 
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I agree with ending all dark money. And the first step to ending 100% of dark money would be a Constitutional Amendment undoing Citizens United, so...
nope. no first step. that allows Unions to spend like drunk congressmen and corporations to suck it up, stand on the sidelines and watch.


first step would be amendment to eliminate all spending by all organizations. ONLY candidates can spend on themselves.


period.
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Old 05-09-2019, 02:35 PM
 
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nope. no first step. that allows Unions to spend like drunk congressmen and corporations to suck it up, stand on the sidelines and watch.


first step would be amendment to eliminate all spending by all organizations. ONLY candidates can spend on themselves.


period.
You can't do it because it would be unconstitutional as long as Citizens United stands as good law. That's why I say that has to be the first step.
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Old 05-09-2019, 02:39 PM
 
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You can't do it because it would be unconstitutional as long as Citizens United stands as good law. That's why I say that has to be the first step.
any constitutional amendment undoes any ruling in the area.


a constitutional amendment banning all organizaitons from "organizing on behalf" would supersede a SCOTUS ruling.
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Old 05-09-2019, 02:40 PM
 
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I agree with ending all dark money. And the first step to ending 100% of dark money would be a Constitutional Amendment undoing Citizens United, so...
In other words, the (economic) rent (seeking) is too damm high:

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Tullock paradox

The Tullock paradox is the apparent paradox, described by Tullock, on the low costs of rent-seeking relative to the gains from rent-seeking.[8][9]

The paradox is that rent-seekers wanting political favors can bribe politicians at a cost much lower than the value of the favor to the rent-seeker. For instance, a rent seeker who hopes to gain a billion dollars from a particular political policy may need to bribe politicians only to the tune of ten million dollars, which is about 1% of the gain to the rent-seeker.. Luigi Zingales frames it by asking, "Why is there so little money in politics?" because a naive model of political bribery and/or campaign spending should result in beneficiaries of government subsidies being willing to spend an amount up to the value of the subsidies themselves, when in fact only a small fraction of that is spent.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking
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