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Old 05-12-2019, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Whether Trump is supportable has nothing to do with who others vote for. It doesn't work that way........

It's hardly commendable to take one item out of hundreds also.
Outside of adultery when he was younger, what evidence do you have that Trump has been immoral in any other way.

Keep in mind it is immoral to make accusations without evidence.

Liberals supported a woman for president who stole the primary from Bernie and she was using private email and server to handle classified information.

When asked if she wiped down her private server, she said "oh, you mean like with a cloth'. This is a person who plays dumb when convenient.
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Old 05-12-2019, 06:18 PM
 
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Outside of adultery when he was younger, what evidence do you have that Trump has been immoral in any other way.

Keep in mind it is immoral to make accusations without evidence.
I don't think constantly calling people names is a sign of a commendably moral person.
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Old 05-12-2019, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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I don't think constantly calling people names is a sign of a commendably moral person.
Most of the people he does that to have attacked him.

Nobody has ever said that he's a perfect person though. He didn't run touting his morality.

I don't consider something like 'Low Energy' Jeb to be a tough personal attack. Ones like little Marco and Lyin' Ted were over the top but liberals loved that during the primary season b/c they thought Trump would be easy to beat and they don't like Cruz or Rubio.


This rarely gets mentioned but one big reason Trump won the GOP primary is Democrat crossover voters voting for Trump in open Republican primaries in some states like SC.

Another funny point is that Trump was able to flip several blue states by flipping previous Obama voters. So it appears a more immoral Republican has more appeal to liberals which isn't surprising to me.

I support Republicans being more of Mad Men variety than puritans.

THe reality is Trump is about the only politician who could win both some of Cruz and Bernie voters. He does bring people together.
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Old 05-12-2019, 06:27 PM
 
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Most of the people he does that to have attacked him.
No they haven't and it's irrelevant even if they did. Jesus said to turn the other cheek.

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Nobody has ever said that he's a perfect person though. He didn't run touting his morality.
He didn't He couldn't.

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I don't consider something like 'Low Energy' Jeb to be a tough personal attack. Ones like little Marco and Lyin' Ted were over the top but liberals loved that during the primary season b/c they thought Trump would be easy to beat and they don't like Cruz or Rubio.
What's with the generalizations? You are discussing this with me.

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This rarely gets mentioned but one big reason Trump won the GOP primary is Democrat crossover voters voting for Trump in open Republican primaries in some states like SC.
Trump loses to anyone but Hillary. Maybe the one person in politics that could match him in negative qualities.

Trump didn't get more votes in the states Hillary lost. Hillary got fewer votes than Obama.
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Old 05-12-2019, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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We will find out in 2020.

He beat out 17 big name Republicans and then beat Hillary despite most of the media in the tank for him and much of the puritan wing of the GOp against him.

It seems like you could admit he has gift for politics.

His main problem in 2016 was many conservatives thought he was still a liberal given his past statements. That's not an issue anymore.

What is funny is liberals hate Pence as much as Trump and they most hate him for having the traditional Christian stance on marriage.

that's why the 'morality' complaints about Trump don't seem sincere.

in my view, liberals prefer Trump to Pence by a wide margin.
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Old 05-12-2019, 06:33 PM
 
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We will find out in 2020.

He beat out 17 big name Republicans and then beat Hillary despite most of the media in the tank for him.

It seems like you could admit he has gift for politics.
He ran before and didn't get a blip of support. He only won because people are tired of politics.

Trump has been doing the very thing people are tired of. Making promises he knows he can't do. (Make Mexico pay for the wall) Saying he is going to do something and then do the opposite. (saying he was going to remove troops in Syria and then leaving them)

(Just two examples)
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Old 05-12-2019, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Ok.

The alternative is liberals who don't want a wall because of votes.

We can't win on these issues if we support people opposed to them. If it can't get done under Trump, it def. won't get done under Democrats.

It is better to try with Trump than go with certain failure with Democrats.
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Old 05-12-2019, 06:37 PM
 
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Ok.

The alternative is liberals who don't want a wall because of votes.

We can't win on these issues if we support people opposed to them. If it can't get done under Trump, it def. won't get done under Democrats.
And this brings us back around to the topic. You resort to doing the very thing Shapiro did. You can't discuss what I say with me so you have to fall back to "liberals".
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Old 05-12-2019, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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I'm not sure how I can have a debate without referring to the ideology of my opponents.

You are using empty rhetoric. Liberals don't use the words conservative, right winger, etc?

I would say you get off into these semantic type arguments when you can't respond to my points.
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Old 05-12-2019, 06:41 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Outside of adultery when he was younger, what evidence do you have that Trump has been immoral in any other way.

Keep in mind it is immoral to make accusations without evidence.

Liberals supported a woman for president who stole the primary from Bernie and she was using private email and server to handle classified information.

When asked if she wiped down her private server, she said "oh, you mean like with a cloth'. This is a person who plays dumb when convenient.
Trump had the affair with the porn star in 2006. He was 60 at that time.
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