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Old 05-10-2019, 06:20 PM
 
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Yes the same President who is quoted "I don't care if that ship goes down to the bottom of the ocean and every sailor dies." In regard to the attack on the USS Liberty.

He was a piece of **** human being and absolutely the last person deserving of a ship to be named for him.
Oh, preach it, brother!
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Old 05-10-2019, 07:03 PM
 
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One can only assume that you are being sarcastic. LBJ was also a hard core racist. He escalated our involvement in Vietnam. He micromanaged the war and was an idiot.
No, I'm not.

LBJ's accomplishments include:

*Medicare

*Medicaid

*Food Stamps

*Civil Rights Act

*HUD

*Voting Rights Act

*Comprehensive immigration reform

*Head Start Program

*Comprehensive gun regulations

He was by-far the best president we've had in the last 55 years when it comes to fighting for and achieving progressive legislation that benefits ordinary Americans.

I'll take an awful human being like LBJ with his impressive domestic policy record any day over the milquetoast presidents today who only have a pretty face or can only play the saxophone yet not achieve any progressive policies of significance (we all know which individuals I'm referring to).
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Old 05-10-2019, 07:32 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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LBJ was a politician during ww2 and was not in the service. He did go on a bombing mission in which the bomber came under fire and LBJ actually manned one of the .50 cal guns.............
He did go on a bombing mission, but never came under fire.
You should go back and read the original article. The author proves Johnson wore a silver star he did not earn and was not authorized to wear. That's serious stuff and has landed other people in a lot of hot water. Called "stolen valor".
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Old 05-10-2019, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Planet earth
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President LBJ now has a ship named after him. A new stealth destroyer.

Johnson wore a silver star on his lapel, signifying bravery in action during WW2. The action never happened, though. He just thought it would be better if people thought he was a war hero of one sort or another.
There are lot of reasons to not like Johnson. In fact, he was so bad that in my mind it taints the memory of JFK for selecting Johnson as a man who could replace him. Someone should have stopped this naming of a ship after Johnson.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...-honor-for-lbj

I would understand if they named a large suppository sized nuclear drone, kinda like a submarine only smaller and smelly when used, after LBJ. That I would agree with.
They could call it a Tactical Underwater Reconnaissance Drone.

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Old 05-10-2019, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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LBJ was a politician during ww2 and was not in the service. He did go on a bombing mission in which the bomber came under fire and LBJ actually manned one of the .50 cal guns. That being said, he was not in the service, as were JFK, Reagan (non combat), Nixon, Ford, Bush, and Carter.
No, his aircraft did not come under fire. He was merely a passenger on a bombing run when, half an hour into the flight the plane developed mechanical issues and was forced to return to the airfield. If ever someone was undeserving of a Silver Star, it was LBJ.
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Old 05-10-2019, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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He did go on a bombing mission, but never came under fire.
You should go back and read the original article. The author proves Johnson wore a silver star he did not earn and was not authorized to wear. That's serious stuff and has landed other people in a lot of hot water. Called "stolen valor".
He was awarded a Silver Star. Undeserving, yes, but he still was given the award.

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The biographer of LBJ, Robert Dallek, said the medal was the outcome of a deal with Gen MacArthur, under which Johnson was honoured in return for a pledge "that he would lobby the president, FDR, to provide greater resources for the southwest Pacific theatre".
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ews.humanities
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Old 05-10-2019, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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He did go on a bombing mission, but never came under fire.
You should go back and read the original article. The author proves Johnson wore a silver star he did not earn and was not authorized to wear. That's serious stuff and has landed other people in a lot of hot water. Called "stolen valor".
Damn where does this utter nonsense come from?

From the Johnson Library....

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He was awarded the Army Silver Star Medal by General Douglas MacArthur and it was cited as follows:

For gallantry in action in the vicinity of Port Moresby and Salamaua, New Guinea, on June 9, 1942. While on a mission of obtaining information in the Southwest Pacific area, Lieutenant Commander Johnson, in order to obtain personal knowledge of combat conditions, volunteered as an observer on a hazardous aerial combat mission over hostile positions in New Guinea. As our planes neared the target area they were intercepted by eight hostile fighters. When, at this time, the plane in which Lieutenant Commander Johnson was an observer, developed mechanical trouble and was forced to turn back alone, presenting a favorable target to the enemy fighters, he evidenced marked coolness in spite of the hazards involved. His gallant actions enabled him to obtain and return with valuable information.
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He was political and it may well have been a political medal. But blame MacArthur not Johnson.
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Old 05-10-2019, 08:30 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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No, I'm not.

LBJ's accomplishments include:

*Medicare

*Medicaid

*Food Stamps

*Civil Rights Act

*HUD

*Voting Rights Act

*Comprehensive immigration reform

*Head Start Program

*Comprehensive gun regulations

He was by-far the best president we've had in the last 55 years when it comes to fighting for and achieving progressive legislation that benefits ordinary Americans.

I'll take an awful human being like LBJ with his impressive domestic policy record any day over the milquetoast presidents today who only have a pretty face or can only play the saxophone yet not achieve any progressive policies of significance (we all know which individuals I'm referring to).
You forgot his accomplishments in Vietnam. Kennedy was going to back us out of Vietnam, but Johnson escalated our involvement.
US casualties
58,318 KIA
153,303 Wounded in action

These numbers really dont include the PTSD and suicides as a result of that conflict that LBJ mismanaged so completely.
Over 2 million Vietnamese deaths. How many would have been avoided if we didn't prop up a very very corrupt government?

LBJ was the POTUS who escalated us from advisors to fighters. He owns that.

LBJ had no issue with US sailors dying and in fact said so. He would rather a ship be sunk and every sailor die than to embarrass Israel.
NO, not just no but hell no, he does not deserve to have a US Navy ship named after him. As a human being he was a political piece of ****.
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Old 05-10-2019, 08:38 PM
 
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You forgot his accomplishments in Vietnam. Kennedy was going to back us out of Vietnam, but Johnson escalated our involvement.
US casualties
58,318 KIA
153,303 Wounded in action

These numbers really dont include the PTSD and suicides as a result of that conflict that LBJ mismanaged so completely.
Over 2 million Vietnamese deaths. How many would have been avoided if we didn't prop up a very very corrupt government?

LBJ was the POTUS who escalated us from advisors to fighters. He owns that.

LBJ had no issue with US sailors dying and in fact said so. He would rather a ship be sunk and every sailor die than to embarrass Israel.
NO, not just no but hell no, he does not deserve to have a US Navy ship named after him. As a human being he was a political piece of ****.
As I said before, no president is perfect.

LBJ is still overall a great president and ranks within the first and second quartile amongst all US president by every scholarly survey. I would pull the lever for someone who has the same fight as him in a heartbeat if it means achieving a progressive agenda such as Medicare-for-All, free college tuition, living wage, etc.
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Old 05-10-2019, 08:52 PM
 
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Just looked it up- Daniel Inouye has a destroyer named after him. Quite the hero he was indeed- kind of a Japanese Audie Murphy.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/...el-inouye.html
Daniel Inouye was not Japanese. His parents were Japanese, he was born in Honolulu, an American from Hawaii. His ancestry was Japanese. I'd say he was an amazing Audie Murphy kind of solider, in the 442.
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