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Old 05-11-2019, 04:16 PM
 
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He also covered up the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, which was a deliberate act of war. He was a genuine traitor, as in deserving of the death penalty.

The awful thing is that his cover-up of the attack wasn't even near the top of the list of the worst things he did to this country.

.Nah - Johnson in the Liberty affair was more a victim of Viet Nam. Caught being unwilling to take on the Israeli lobby while being beaten up by Viet Nam. Johnson was also one of those who believed it was a deliberate attack by Israel.

US Naval Institute did an excellent article on the affair on the 50th anniversary...

https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval...-left-out-cold
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Old 05-11-2019, 04:18 PM
 
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McCarthy pulled 42% in NH.

Then, smelling the blood in the water, R. Kennedy got into the race.

Spin it any way you like, but the writing was on the wall before LBJ developed "unhappiness" over Vietnam.
Read the cite. Written by someone who was there.
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Old 05-11-2019, 04:31 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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President LBJ now has a ship named after him. A new stealth destroyer.

Johnson wore a silver star on his lapel, signifying bravery in action during WW2. The action never happened, though. He just thought it would be better if people thought he was a war hero of one sort or another.
There are lot of reasons to not like Johnson. In fact, he was so bad that in my mind it taints the memory of JFK for selecting Johnson as a man who could replace him. Someone should have stopped this naming of a ship after Johnson.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...-honor-for-lbj
Just wait till they name one after the current trash-talking draft dodger.
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Old 05-11-2019, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Just wait till they name one after the current trash-talking draft dodger.

No ship will ever be named after him, because it wouldn't last a week before someone would scuttle it. Imagine being ordered to serve on a ship with that name. Imagine what a danger it would be to all other ships on the water, if it were run by people who all wanted to serve on a ship with that name.
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Old 05-11-2019, 06:16 PM
 
Location: the Sticks
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Don't forget Agent Orange.

LBJ was many things, ignorant was not one of them. IDK if he was a racist or not. The ranch had the typical real estate clause that it could not be sold to Blacks and Jews. He could have had that clause removed. Maybe he thought the Civil Rights act would take care of it.

From what I remember, Johnson also had an aide who got something on every member on congress. Some said he even bought their debt. If they were not voting his way, he used whatever threat he could to bring them in line. Perhaps that was rumor.

He got his start up money from Brown and Root. A relative was connected to B&R. He was told about a federal project 2 years before it was announced, so he was the lucky low bid.
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.Nah - Johnson in the Liberty affair was more a victim of Viet Nam. Caught being unwilling to take on the Israeli lobby while being beaten up by Viet Nam. Johnson was also one of those who believed it was a deliberate attack by Israel.

US Naval Institute did an excellent article on the affair on the 50th anniversary...

https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval...-left-out-cold
The one thing Johnson was not, was a victim. That is of anything but his own arrogance. "They don't bomb an outhouse less I say so."
"I don't care if that ship goes down to the bottom of the ocean and every sailor dies, we will not embarrass Israel."
He was the POTUS. The USS America CV-66 launched not 1 but 2 sorties, to help the USS Liberty, only to have them called back by Johnson.
Johnson was a lousy war time president. I can go on forever with how badly he micromanaged and mismanaged the war effort in Vietnam.
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Old 05-11-2019, 06:19 PM
 
Location: the Sticks
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No ship will ever be named after him, because it wouldn't last a week before someone would scuttle it. Imagine being ordered to serve on a ship with that name. Imagine what a danger it would be to all other ships on the water, if it were run by people who all wanted to serve on a ship with that name.
I don't know they named one after one of the worst war time presidents in our history. I can only imagine the political pressure the Navy was under to name a ship after Johnson.
Let's have the survivors of the USS Liberty on hand for the launch.
The ship's motto: Let the ship sink to the bottom of the ocean, but don't embarrass Israel. From a direct quote of Johnson.

We can believe the Johnson admirers or we can believe the survivors of the USS Liberty.
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Old 05-11-2019, 06:39 PM
 
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The one thing Johnson was not, was a victim. That is of anything but his own arrogance. "They don't bomb an outhouse less I say so."
"I don't care if that ship goes down to the bottom of the ocean and every sailor dies, we will not embarrass Israel."
He was the POTUS. The USS America CV-66 launched not 1 but 2 sorties, to help the USS Liberty, only to have them called back by Johnson.
Johnson was a lousy war time president. I can go on forever with how badly he micromanaged and mismanaged the war effort in Vietnam.

Source of the quote? Does not come up on a normal search.

Johnson was a victim on this one.

And he did not buy the accident theory.

Source that Johnson called back the sorties?
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Old 05-17-2019, 04:56 AM
 
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Source of the quote? Does not come up on a normal search.

Johnson was a victim on this one.

And he did not buy the accident theory.

Source that Johnson called back the sorties?
https://ifamericaknew.org/media/misslib.html
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Old 05-17-2019, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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LBJ was a politician during ww2 and was not in the service. He did go on a bombing mission in which the bomber came under fire and LBJ actually manned one of the .50 cal guns. That being said, he was not in the service, as were JFK, Reagan (non combat), Nixon, Ford, Bush, and Carter.

Ford, Bush and JFK were directly in harms way and saw active combat. The Hawaiian Senator (Daniel Inouye) won the Medal of Honor and Bob Dole was awarded the silver star. Despite being in different parties, they were friends and respected one another.

I would offer that Inouye would be the politician most fitting of having a ship named after him from that era, even though he served in the infantry. Bush, Carter, JFK, Ford, and Nixon were all navy men. I believe that Bush, Reagan, Ford, Carter and JFK have all had ships named after them. Carter is the only living president to have a ship named after him; he was a submariner and also has a sub named after him.

Just looked it up- Daniel Inouye has a destroyer named after him. Quite the hero he was indeed- kind of a Japanese Audie Murphy.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/...el-inouye.html
Never liked Inouye, but he would be far more deserving to have a ship named after him (Dole too) than LBJ who was a manufactured hero.
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Old 05-17-2019, 06:41 AM
 
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A great honor for a great President!
You must not have been around back then, but he was anything but great. Perhaps you are thinking of JFK!!
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