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Old 05-10-2019, 12:08 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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So explain Chicago then. And Baltimore. And Detroit. And many other cities where violent crime exists to this day.

Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate in the entire US (which has the highest incarceration rate on the planet), yet the cities there are extremely violent to the point where even cops are afraid to do their job there.

Some American cities are among the top most violent cities in the world, alongside many Mexican and Central American cities.

I'd suggest taking a field trip outside of your gated suburb some weekend, and you'll see that open drug use absolutely takes place regardless of the pointless drug war.
So, I'm trying to understand...Chicago, Baltimore and Detroit have a worse drug problem and are less safe than they were 30 years go? If that's your argument, then statistically you are wrong. And besides, the "War on Drugs" didn't come with a promisory note to eliminate all crime lol. What it has done was reduce crime BIG TIME. Like I said earlier, if you had a beating heart 30 years ago, you would be able to see this without even really giving it much thought.

And what about incarceration rates? NYS has a VERY high incarceration rate and the State and the cities have never been safer. Nation wide--homicide rates, and drug related crimes are down across the board.

And American cities are not amongst the "top violent cities" in the world. What universe are you living in? If you think that America's largest cities are more violent today than they were in the 70s, 80s and 90s--then you're simply out of touch with reality. And to even believe that cities around the world in many of these 3rd world countries collect data as meticulously as we do is even more evidence that you're parroting a false narrative.

Hard schedule 1 narcotics aren't nearly as abused today as they were 30 years ago. It's imperative that you atleast try to educate yourself by doing more than watching some silly documentary on your netflix account or listening to whatever your favorite rapper has to say about it

If you think that coke/crack and heroin use today and the residual effects of those problems are worse today and they were a few decades ago--then you're just grossly uninformed.
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Old 05-10-2019, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Boston
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We should do what Portugal did 16 years ago. Portugal decriminalized the possession of all drugs — everything from marijuana to heroin.

Today, Portuguese authorities don't arrest anyone found holding what's considered less than a 10-day supply of an illicit drug — a gram of heroin, ecstasy, or amphetamine, two grams of cocaine, or 25 grams of cannabis. Instead, drug offenders receive a citation and are ordered to appear before so- called "dissuasion panels" made up of legal, social, and psychological experts. Most cases are simply suspended. Individuals who repeatedly come before the panels may be prescribed treatment, ranging from motivational counseling to opiate substitution therapy.
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Old 05-10-2019, 06:03 PM
 
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The US is not going to let Mexico do it. There is a lot of money being made from the "war on drugs".

Lot of weapons, equipment and security operations that create profits for a few rich people at the expense of millions. The CIA was making deals with arms and drugs in the 80's, anyone who believes they stopped when they got caught is a complete idiot. Banks launder billions of dollars to drug cartels and no tax is paid. Big pharma is not going to be happy about this neither.

Laws nowadays enforce not the well being of people, but businesses interest. Don't get your hopes up.
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Old 05-10-2019, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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The US is not going to let Mexico do it. There is a lot of money being made from the "war on drugs".

Lot of weapons, equipment and security operations that create profits for a few rich people at the expense of millions. The CIA was making deals with arms and drugs in the 80's, anyone who believes they stopped when they got caught is a complete idiot. Banks launder billions of dollars to drug cartels and no tax is paid. Big pharma is not going to be happy about this neither.

Laws nowadays enforce not the well being of people, but businesses interest. Don't get your hopes up.
Yes, but there is more awareness of all that now than there has ever been.

Awareness is necessary if we are going to convince our leaders to allow this.
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Old 05-10-2019, 06:57 PM
 
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Yes, but there is more awareness of all that now than there has ever been.

Awareness is necessary if we are going to convince our leaders to allow this.
That is correct. One of the biggest changes in the legalization movement over the last 10 to 15 years is The Internet. That tool has opened many eyes when it comes to the wasteful, corrupt war known as The War On Drugs. We have finally reached a point where the only ones left wanting to continue (or even ramp-up) The War are the hopelessly brainwashed (emphasis on hopelessly).

But we have to do more than just have our eyes opened. The majority of the voting public has been for legalization for a number of years now. But because of the corruption and money that has our lawmakers bought off, legalization on a national level is still very stuck in thick molasses, and it will remain that way until we, the voters of the USA, start voting out the prohibitionists.

The power of the vote is the only power in the universe powerful enough to overcome the enormous sums of corrupt money that is in play here. It would not matter if public support for federal legalization reached 90%. It won't change until we, the voters, force it to change by voting out career politicians who are not representing the voter's interests at all.

It won't take very many. Once other prohibitionist politicians see the first ones getting the boot (like Pete Sessions of Dallas County did) and realize their seat is genuinely threatened because of their stance on prohibition, they'll quickly POP (Pivot On Pot). Then maybe, finally, we'll be rid of this horrible, wretched, 80 year old War.
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Old 05-10-2019, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Florida
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To stop cartels, Mexico wants to decriminalize all drugs
The cartels would be very happy to hear that.
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Old 05-10-2019, 10:51 PM
 
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Ive always said, the best way to get this done is DISOBEDIENCE, REFUSAL to comply, its how other things were achieved in the past (civil rights was a big one).


I no longer contact police if I see drug dealing, Ive also instructed our store managers at all locations to STOP calling police if they see dealing or drug activity, eventually we have to stop being 'those people', kind of like the white people before civil rights, who would call police when a black person was in the 'wrong' section in a bus or restaurant...Just imagine if someone tried that today!



Its very clear public opinion on the drug war is shifting to more people being upset with it, rather than those that support it anymore, but in the last election, how big of an issue was it, I didnt hear a single candidate claim they would stop the drug war (its pretty bad when NO ONE will even make a bold campaign promise!!!)


In this drug war today, its federal, state, and local law enforcement, that are the true enemy, its time more people started treating them accordingly!
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:12 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Legalize drugs and ten percent of the population will be addicted and one percent will kill themselves. During the last 20 years in the USA, over 1 million people have died of drug overdoses.
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Old 05-11-2019, 04:29 AM
 
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Mexico should’ve done it years ago but they were strongly dissuaded by the Dubya Bush Administration who said that it would be a disaster for the United States.

Mexico should tell us to go straight to hell and make all dope legal and do NOTHING to stop its exportation into the United States. Our dope problem is ours to deal with, not theirs.
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Old 05-11-2019, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The State telling me I own my body?

Sounds risky. Next thing you know I'll be allowed to buy and sell fresh milk.

Anarchy!
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