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Old 05-13-2019, 06:23 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Rachel976 View Post
Of course not. Most Republicans don't even get freebies. Democrats are much more likely to be on government assistance.

But....to expand....that was part of Obama's plan also. Take self-supporting Republicans who pay their own health insurance, then drive up the costs SO high by some redistribution scheme that they only way the lower earners among them can survive is by taking the subsidy. You KNOW there's something drastically wrong with a new law when the only way you can survive it is by earning less money.
You missed the point I was making that Republican constituents voiced their objection to completely repealing the ACA.

Republican politicians don't care what Democrat voters do -- they vote Democrat and that's that.

When push came to show, Republican elected politicians weren't ready for a complete repeal of the ACA...and that's because their constituents weren't.

 
Old 05-13-2019, 06:30 AM
 
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You missed the point I was making that Republican constituents voiced their objection to completely repealing the ACA.

Republican politicians don't care what Democrat voters do -- they vote Democrat and that's that.

When push came to show, Republican elected politicians weren't ready for a complete repeal of the ACA...and that's because their constituents weren't.
Yes, and you missed that that was part of Obama's plan.

Face it, the election is decided by a relative few in a relatively few states. All Obama needed to do was make health care so expensive for middle earners (by skyrocketing Obamacare premiums) that the only way they could afford medical care was to go onto a Democrat subsidy program. (All Alinsky.)

Take, for example, a self-supporting Republican plodding along earning $45,000. Things are tight, but they are able to afford a $400 a month health care premium. NOW, devise an entitlement plan that drives their premium up to $900 a month, but tell them that they qualify for a Democrat plan that will let them pay only $150 a month. The Democrat has trapped them.

Now, it can be a relative few. Let's say only 5% of Republicans fit into this scenario. The Dems have "tuned" 5% of the opposing voters into Dems. That's all it takes to win the election.
 
Old 05-13-2019, 06:33 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Rachel976 View Post
Yes, and you missed that that was part of Obama's plan.

Face it, the election is decided by a relative few in a relatively few states. All Obama needed to do was make health care so expensive for middle earners (by skyrocketing Obamacare premiums) that the only way they could afford medical care was to go onto a Democrat subsidy program. (All Alinsky.)

Take, for example, a self-supporting Republican plodding along earning $45,000. Things are tight, but they are able to afford a $400 a month health care premium. NOW, devise an entitlement plan that drives their premium up to $900 a month, but tell them that they qualify for a Democrat plan that will let them pay only $150 a month. The Democrat has trapped them.

Now, it can be a relative few. Let's say only 5% of Republicans fit into this scenario. The Dems have "tuned" 5% of the opposing voters into Dems. That's all it takes to win the election.
That is some elaborate thinking.

Republican House, Senate & President did not repeal the ACA and it is because Obama had calculated some scheme that took into consideration that enough Republicans would like the ACA that the Republican elected officials would never repeal it.
 
Old 05-13-2019, 06:36 AM
 
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That is some elaborate thinking.

Republican House, Senate & President did not repeal the ACA and it is because Obama had calculated some scheme that took into consideration that enough Republicans would like the ACA that the Republican elected officials would never repeal it.
Yes. Why is that so elaborate? It is quite easy to know that, human nature being what it is, it will be impossible to claw back Democratic freebies without losing at least 5% of voters.
 
Old 05-13-2019, 06:43 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Yes, Trump will win again but it's because of the culture war. Opposition to and anger about abortion, LGBT rights, legalization of "recreational drugs," and reaffirming our country's "Judeo-Christian" heritage and values run the show in this country today. Us progressives are simply going to have to wait for this era to pass and it will, just like the Moral Majority did when the 80s became the 90s.
Outside of Okahoma, the country is marching strongly away from old style conservatism. LGBTOIWUERKJNHWERIONCV may overstep on a few things like boys who ID as girls wanting to change/ dress with girls for gym class, but Gay marriage for example, is here to stay. Weed is here to stay.

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Here are the Top 4 reasons Donald Trump will be selected again.
  1. Vladimir Putin
  2. Vladimir Putin
  3. Vladimir Putin
  4. Vladimir Putin
^^^proof people will hold onto fallacies. Putin does not own Trump. Putin pushed Trump for one simple reason, Russian intelligence correctly assumed Trump would cause divisions between the US and European allies.

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It's both sides dude. Both sides need to stop. I love everybody. But white nationalism, alt right, woke pro black, feminism of all sorts and sjw must take a chill pill for a bit and stop dipping into thier emotions.
^^^Quote of the week and it is only Monday.

Trump will win because:
1) Dems will nominate someone even more unpalatable to the middle who have might change their votes.
2) Dems will run way too far left in the primaries and the GOP will bludgeon the Dem nominee with statements made during the primaries over and over and over.
3) AOC/ Tlaib/ Omar buffoonery will equal Trump bufoonery, thereby neutralizing it as an issue.
4) It will come down to the fat crass narcissist that you know vs the wacky sjw liberal that you do not know. They will hold their nose and vote for the person they know.
 
Old 05-13-2019, 06:48 AM
 
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They didn't vote for the person they know last time.

They chose to gamble.

And none of you know how people feel about that gamble -- and you won't until next election.
 
Old 05-13-2019, 06:52 AM
 
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Ford was president. He was the first un-elected POTUS. Nixon made Ford his VP after Agnew resigned. When Nixon resigned, Ford became POTUS.
I'm well aware of all of that....I lived through it.

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Ford DID run for re-election against Carter and lost.
History really is a wonderful thing.
No, Ford did NOT run for re-election.

Every other President (other than Ford)...who was already President, and sought to continue as President...ran for re-election because they navigated their way to the Presidency via running for President or Vice-President in a Presidential election. It is correct to say that Ford was running for another term, or running to continue as President, but it is incorrect to say that Ford was running for re-election because he was never elected in the first place. My point may be a picky detail, but it is nonetheless correct.
 
Old 05-13-2019, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by moneill View Post
You missed the point I was making that Republican constituents voiced their objection to completely repealing the ACA.

Republican politicians don't care what Democrat voters do -- they vote Democrat and that's that.

When push came to show, Republican elected politicians weren't ready for a complete repeal of the ACA...and that's because their constituents weren't.

Except that the ACA would have been repealed if not for McCain's 'no' vote, even though he was reelected on his campaign promise to repeal it. McCain hated Trump. Like Ahab hated Moby Dick, and with his last dying act McCain spit at Trump with that vote.
 
Old 05-13-2019, 07:06 AM
 
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The golfing thing reeks of hypocrisy on his part. He tweeted many times about Obama doing it and said he wouldn't have time to do much, if any, during his presidency.

https://www.sbnation.com/golf/2017/3...ack-obama-golf

""I would rarely leave the White House because there's so much work to be done," Trump, 69, tells ITK. "I would not be a president who took vacations. I would not be a president that takes time off."

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-kno...he-white-house

The first sentence is key...he said he wouldnt leave the White House but rarely if elected.
Take a look at pictures taken of Trump inside the 'control room' on election night when he first realized he was going to win.

He had a 'deer in headlights' look on his face.

I think that is because he thought there was no way in H E double toothpicks that he was going to win, and I think he may not have wanted to win. I think he figured his mouth could 'write any proverbial checks' (your quotes above represent a few), and that he would never have to worry about 'those checks being cashed' (would never have to deliver) because there was no chance he would win.

He deserves the scorn from posts like yours because he recklessly left himself open to them.
 
Old 05-13-2019, 07:12 AM
 
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So if DJT "wins," again, with the help of foreign nations chipping away at our democracy, he "wins," we Americans, lose again.
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