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Old 05-12-2019, 12:55 PM
 
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Portugal leads... Portugal’s renewable electricity production exceeded monthly consumption for what is likely the first time, in March, according to the nation’s transmission system operator, REN.The average renewable generation for the month exceeded 103% of consumption, beating out the last record (99.2%), set in 2014.

https://qz.com/1245048/portugal-gene...ntry-in-march/

The US is falling behind the rest of the world.

https://www.theatlas.com/charts/BJ-y9ZpKg
Quartz is playing games with words.

renewable "generation" sounds mealy mouthed and is irrelevant; I'd rather know how much they utilized.

Simple example:
Renewable generation = 100 watts
Oversupply/curtailment = 40 watts
Consumption = 100 watts

In this example, while it can be said you generated 100% of consumption, you only utilized 60% of consumption.
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Old 05-12-2019, 01:03 PM
 
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Portugal leads... Portugal’s renewable electricity production exceeded monthly consumption for what is likely the first time, in March, according to the nation’s transmission system operator, REN.The average renewable generation for the month exceeded 103% of consumption, beating out the last record (99.2%), set in 2014.

https://qz.com/1245048/portugal-gene...ntry-in-march/

The US is falling behind the rest of the world.

https://www.theatlas.com/charts/BJ-y9ZpKg
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..with a few caveats ..over half of their elec production was dams and water that they could crank up because of all the rain


>>>less than half was wind and solar

"Fifty-five percent of that energy was produced through hydro power, "
"Portugal also benefited from higher-than-usual rainfall last month"
"The country still used fossil fuels to balance out supply and demand."

"Portugal's electricity prices are among the highest in the European Union,"

"Nearly a decade ago, Jerome Socolovsky reported for NPR from a wave farm project in the Portuguese town of Agucadoura — the first wave farm in the world, established by a Scottish firm.

He explained that the project was set up in Portugal because of subsidies — namely, the feed-in tariff, "an artificially high price that the Portuguese government has set to encourage the generation of electricity by wave power."
That wave farm closed soon after it opened. But public investment in renewables continued for years — as did the high electricity rates.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...the-whole-coun
...so how did they generate 103% as renewables......when....."The country still used fossil fuels to balance out supply and demand."

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Old 05-12-2019, 01:14 PM
 
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Portugal leads... Portugal’s renewable electricity production exceeded monthly consumption for what is likely the first time, in March, according to the nation’s transmission system operator, REN.The average renewable generation for the month exceeded 103% of consumption, beating out the last record (99.2%), set in 2014.

https://qz.com/1245048/portugal-gene...ntry-in-march/

The US is falling behind the rest of the world.

https://www.theatlas.com/charts/BJ-y9ZpKg
What a way to distort information! Here are the facts:

Portugal has a population of 10 million. Total energy consumption from renewable energy was 52% in 2018. They do have the capability of producing 100% of their electricity if the weather behave as expected. There are other energy needs beside electricity.

In terms of volume the US is the second largest producer of renewable energy after China.
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Old 05-12-2019, 01:20 PM
 
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coal....

"Yet China’s overseas ventures include hundreds of electric power plants that burn coal, which is a significant emitter of the carbon scientifically linked to climate change. Edward Cunningham, a specialist on China and its energy markets at Harvard University, tells NPR that China is building or planning more than 300 coal plants in places as widely spread as Turkey, Vietnam, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Egypt and the Philippines."

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/29/71634...al-bet-on-coal

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"But satellite images show China “quietly resumed” construction in 2018 on dozens of previously shelved plants,"
"The report warned that China could build an additional 290 GW of capacity, more than the whole of the United States’ coal capacity, and still remain within the 1,300-GW cap for national coal-fired power generation proposed by the China Electricity Council"
"Lauri Myllyvirta, analyst with Greenpeace’s Global Air Pollution Unit, said Chinese firms are now “pushing for hundreds of additional coal-fired power plants.”

https://www.voanews.com/a/study-chin...r/4851508.html

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"China’s coal output hits highest in over 3 years as mines start up"
"China approved more than 45 billion yuan’s ($6.64 billion)worth of new coal mining projects last year, much more than 2017, official documents show."
"The new projects stoked overall coal output last year, with annual production rising 5.2 percent to the highest since 2015 at 3.55 billion tonnes."

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-ch...-idUKKCN1PF0DI

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more than the whole of the United States’ coal capacity,....many times more

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Old 05-12-2019, 02:18 PM
 
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Coal lovers <3 black lung
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Old 05-12-2019, 02:31 PM
 
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coal....

"Yet China’s overseas ventures include hundreds of electric power plants that burn coal, which is a significant emitter of the carbon scientifically linked to climate change. Edward Cunningham, a specialist on China and its energy markets at Harvard University, tells NPR that China is building or planning more than 300 coal plants in places as widely spread as Turkey, Vietnam, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Egypt and the Philippines."

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/29/71634...al-bet-on-coal

more than the whole of the United States’ coal capacity,....many times more
All which has zero to do with the subject at hand.

Developing economies without the $$ and brain power and innovation burn coal...and even wood...to get to the next step.

TABA

Take America Backwards Again.
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Old 05-12-2019, 02:38 PM
 
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All which has zero to do with the subject at hand.

Developing economies without the $$ and brain power and innovation burn coal...and even wood...to get to the next step.

TABA

Take America Backwards Again.
Burning wood is a completely renewable form of energy production. It doesn't increase ANY greenhouse gasses, and wood forests are good for the natural environment. Obviously you really seem to know nothing about it.

I wouldn't call France a "Developing economy"
In France, wood is the top source of bioenergy and the number one renewable energy source, outranking hydropower and coming in well ahead of wind and solar energy. More than 95% of this wood is used to produce heat, whether in industrial or household settings, while the rest is used to generate electricity. This type of energy is called wood energy.
See the brain power part of your post. It's the opposite of derangement.
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Old 05-12-2019, 02:44 PM
 
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I guess Austria isn't a "modern" place?

https://qz.com/543177/austrias-large...om-renewables/
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Old 05-12-2019, 02:50 PM
 
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Burning wood is a completely renewable form of energy production. It doesn't increase ANY greenhouse gasses, and wood forests are good for the natural environment. Obviously you really seem to know nothing about it.
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This is a very interesting take on the modern opposite world since if you asked the top wood heat experts in the USA of a list of 10 Americans with the most experience in residential wood heating....I'd be on that list!! Major publications feature little old me in articles about the subject.

But, whatever!

There are not enough trees in China to do the job....and burning wood creates PM - a lot of it in most cases, resulting in sickness and disease.

"Up to 80% of PM2.5 emissions in Fairbanks, Alaska, are from residential wood burning."

But we can have another thread on that. Being as I have patents in the field and have manufactured, designed, imported, retailed, installed and used many many thousands of wood burning appliances I think I may know just a bit about them. Just a bit....

Including the fact that hippies and lefties started and ran most of the current wood-burning revolution in the USA - Companies like Vermont Castings, Jotul, Lange and many more. I was around at the first wood heating conventions in the late 1970's....it was like going to Woodstock II.

FYI, less than 2% of French Electric comes from Biomass. Not relevant.
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Old 05-12-2019, 02:58 PM
 
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Well, we can rest assured that when we do hit targets of 40,50 and even 100% renewables, the "conservatives" will be here telling us that someone flew in to measure it and that jet plane used oil.

I mean....one wonders why they always are trying to go backwards? It's a fantastic mindset, and I guess why you can never call them innovative or progressive.

It's not like ANYONE who believes in more renewables thinks it will happen next week. In 1910 we weren't driving on interstates or flying on Airbus.

But it's evident that we now have the technologies to advance. You'd think this would be celebrated rather than folks coming up with threads about "God Said Modern Societies and Hydropower don't go together". Nutty stuff, IMHO.
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