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Well, in fairness, Israel DID back the Iraq War. They were all in.
Well, in fairness, Iraq DID fire 42 Scud missiles at Israel during the 1991 Iraq War. Israel was not allowed to be all in, in order to return gifts of their own.
Well, in fairness, Iraq DID fire 42 Scud missiles at Israel during the 1991 Iraq War. Israel was not allowed to be all in, in order to return gifts of their own.
Israel was allowed to do anything they wanted to do. They were asked not to return fire in order for the United States to hold the coalition together, but Israel was under no obligation to follow that request. They went along with it because they wanted the United States to hopefully not only get Saddam out of Kuwait, but to get him out of power altogether. Israel didn’t decline to attack because they’re nice people. They declined because there was something in it for Israel.
Come on now...you yourself have said said several times on CD that Israel will do whatever it has to regardless of American’s requests or interests. Don’t change up now and say that Israel allowed itself to be attacked because they were prevented from doing so by the United States. No one can prevent Israel from doing anything.
In fact, the United States was AGAINST the Israeli attack on Iraq at the Osirak Facility and clearly told the Israelis not to do it. The Israelis did it anyway. So....you know....
In any case, Israel has a large responsibility for the present situation in Iraq because they not only helped support the Bush Administration’s bullcrap narrative about Iraq having WMD, but they surely provided much if not most of that intelligence. And Israel surely knew that Saddam really didn’t have WMD. If any nation knew that WMD was a lie, it was Israel. Nothing gets past them in that region. They just wanted Saddam taken out even if they had to lie to do it. 4500 American troops are now dead because of that little act of subterfuge.
Because its government is inherently racist against non Jews,they commit genocide,apartheid and war crimes on a daily basis. If NO other race is allowed a nation of their own why are Jews?
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Originally Posted by remsleep
Why should Americans support Israel? They function as an apartheid state, have nuclear weapons in violation of several international treaties, continue to build more settlements on occupied land, mooch billions of dollars annually from US taxpayers and killed 30+ sailors when they attacked a US Navy ship.
Israel is not an apartheid state. Israeli Arabs have the same rights as Israeli Jews. Non-citizen Palestinian Arabs don't have the same rights as they aren't citizens (just like many other countries that non-citizens don't have the same rights as citizens!) and they & their ancestors decided to leave the country when Israel was established in 1948 at the coaxing of the neighboring Arab countries who immediately attacked. When Israel survived that attack/war, those neighboring Arab countries should have helped all those refugees to form new lives just like refugees all over the world have done after wars and also like all the Jewish refugees that came to Israel from surrounding Arab countries.
Israel is always one of the first countries to send aid groups all over the world when a natural disaster strikes.
Israel was attacked and gained land in defensive wars. So I don't see any other countries that were attacked and then gained land when they defended themselves and then are asked to return that land.
FYI - there is no Jewish race as Jewish people can be from all races.
Also all the money that USA gives Israel comes back to the American Military Industry (meaning it helps the American job market). I don't think that any other American foreign spending goes back into the American economy.
So there enough reasons why people should support Israel.
Israel is not an apartheid state. Israeli Arabs have the same rights as Israeli Jews. Non-citizen Palestinian Arabs don't have the same rights as they aren't citizens (just like many other countries that non-citizens don't have the same rights as citizens!) and they & their ancestors decided to leave the country when Israel was established in 1948 at the coaxing of the neighboring Arab countries who immediately attacked. When Israel survived that attack/war, those neighboring Arab countries should have helped all those refugees to form new lives just like refugees all over the world have done after wars and also like all the Jewish refugees that came to Israel from surrounding Arab countries.
Israel is always one of the first countries to send aid groups all over the world when a natural disaster strikes.
Israel was attacked and gained land in defensive wars. So I don't see any other countries that were attacked and then gained land when they defended themselves and then are asked to return that land.
FYI - there is no Jewish race as Jewish people can be from all races.
Also all the money that USA gives Israel comes back to the American Military Industry (meaning it helps the American job market). I don't think that any other American foreign spending goes back into the American economy.
So there enough reasons why people should support Israel.
I didn’t see one. Folks should support their own country.
I support Israel because they are the good guys. Israel is a civilized nation surrounded by barbarism. The Jews were Gods chosen people, they are the custodians of the Holy Land. I will always support Israel.
Unfortunately there are a lot of people who think similarly along these lines for similar reasons, but more like "custodians" of backward thinking from days long gone by if you ask me. Far as more and more people are concerned these days anyway...
Still, nothing works quite as well on lots and lots of people like the "fear of God."
"U.S. Ambassador to Israel David Friedman said Tuesday that Israel is “on the side of God,” according to The New York Times."
Well, in fairness, Iraq DID fire 42 Scud missiles at Israel during the 1991 Iraq War. Israel was not allowed to be all in, in order to return gifts of their own.
"In fairness" is a sort of perspective a little short when it comes to this topic in general...
You and Travis T seem to be above average in terms of facts and figures related to American support of Israel, and of course we all know American support of Israel is significant and comes in many forms; including a very "unique" support in terms of addressing all the U.N. resolutions, all manner of military backing, support in the political arena (U.S. embassy move to Jerusalem for example). What amounts to an overall understanding "we've got your back no matter what" that transcends any one single form of support among the many.
The question that always comes to my mind regardless the right or wrong related to any support is this: How different would the support be if not for the pro-Israel influence in American politics, in Congress, most certainly including the influence of AIPAC?
Though difficult to tease out where and how that influence has been having its way for a long time now, in all fairness the difference would be quite significant if not for that influence. Right? And what does this tell us? Where would America be in these regards if, for example, there were no Jewish Americans? Where would that baseline be? Answer to that question would help better determine how most Americans truly feel about support for Israel.
In all fairness, this is a very important question if you ask me. Can anyone not agree?
Americans Are Increasingly Critical of Israel
New polling shows that the U.S. public’s views on Israel’s policies are shifting.
"there is a growing sense that the Israeli government has “too much influence” on U.S. politics and policies: 38 percent of all Americans (including 55 percent of Democrats, and 44 percent of those under 35 years old), say the Israeli government has too much influence on the U.S. government, compared with 9 percent who say it has “too little influence” and 48 percent who say it has “about the right level of influence.” While the number of Jewish participants in the sample (115) is too small to generalize with confidence, it is notable that their views fall along the same lines of the national trend: 37 percent say Israel has too much influence, 54 percent say it has the right level, and 7 percent say it has too little influence.
These results indicate neither a rise in anti-Semitism nor even a rise in hostility toward Israel as such. As analysis of previous polls has shown, many who espouse these opinions base them on a principled worldview that emphasizes human rights and international law."
Unfortunately there are a lot of people who think similarly along these lines for similar reasons, but more like "custodians" of backward thinking from days long gone by, far as more and more people are concerned these days anyway.
Threads like these are why many people see evangelicals/Zionists/neocons as just the right-wing version of SJWs lol
brief history of Arab-Israel conflicts since 1948.
In 1948, following the Holocaust, it was considered by many, including US President Harry Truman, that a Jewish state was needed as a haven. The Jewish people had been stateless for 1900 years.
The UN came up with an partition plan that gave them 50% of the area known as Palestine. It excluded important areas including Judea, Samaria, and the West Bank. Jews reluctantly accepted the plan. Jews were used to negotiating from a position of weakness. Arabs were a people of conquest, and so they, summarily rejected the plan. Instead they went to war against the Jews in 1948. The war ended in Nov. 1948, leaving the Jews now with 80% of Palestine.
In 1949, Jews offered negotiation, including return of some of the territory in exchange for final resolution of the borders. The Arabs refused to talk directly with them. They worked through the UN to demand a return to the UN partition boundaries, which they had never recognized.
Why must it be an either or question?
I neither support Israel or am against Israel.
I am however, against the unconditional support our country gives Israel. It is undeserved and undermines our credibility in the region.
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