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Old 05-19-2019, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Rutherfordton,NC
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Those people who believe that abortion should be illegal have no real life of their own, so sticking their fat little nose in some else’s business is all they are really interested in.
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Old 05-19-2019, 07:36 AM
 
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... Because we in NY are not all about Save The Fetus/Screw The Child mentality.
I am very glad you brought this up.

Republican policy is inconsistent, but that is easily understood when one realizes that the Republican anti-abortion fervor is basically a wedge issue, intended to split the working class vote to advance the pro-business/pro-super rich agenda.

Everything else about Republican policy falls into perfect order: exploit the common working people, the environment and common consumers to the advantage of the wealthy and non-tax paying global corporations.

Corporations are financial machines, not people, and have no sense of right nor wrong. Corporations fund the Republican party and the RNC serves as an effective advocate for corporate global interests. The abortion issue does not fit anywhere in this mandate, it is a complete outlier. This one issue: anti-abortion, was part of an agreement with fundamentalist Christians to gain their support in the polling booth for the real core values of the party: pro rich-anti labor agenda.
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Old 05-19-2019, 08:43 AM
 
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Isn't MURDER illegal in every state?


The RIGHT TO LIFE, Liberty & the pursuit of Happiness.
It is all right there from the beginning in the USA.
Yes it is. The problem is that life doesn't begin at conception. Life only begins when a fetus inside a mother is viable, meaning it could survive on its own. That's what Roe v. Wade says and that is the law of the land. You can't equate a bunch of cells with a living, breathing human being.

BTW, as usual, you are flubbing something up. You're quoting language from the Declaration of Independence, not from the Constitution. The due process clause of the Constitution prohibits the taking of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.
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Old 05-19-2019, 08:47 AM
 
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Yes it is. The problem is that life doesn't begin at conception. Life only begins when a fetus inside a mother is viable, meaning it could survive on its own. That's what Roe v. Wade says and that is the law of the land. You can't equate a bunch of cells with a living, breathing human being.
RvW does not say that. RvW was not anti-science. What's your problem with science?

Whether you want to equate whatever with whatever, argue that but it is life.
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Old 05-19-2019, 08:50 AM
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Yes because they enacted the law during a slow economic recovery and Arizona is largely a real estate economy. The real estate market wasn't picking up in 2010/1. Add a law that wasn't favorable by businesses regardless of political affiliation, and you have a problem. What people don't realize is businesses both conservative and liberal don't like controversial policies like that, the tariff war or the new abortion laws. Maybe part of it is the boycott power, but then again conservatives claimed that it worked with the NFL (in reality it just crushed Papa John's) and will laugh about when liberals do it or complain when they work for liberals (like the end of gun sales.)

I'm telling you, Trump's America is gonna cause America to swing back to the left in ways nobody's gonna like but those that don't like it, have little to blame but themselves for going that far to the right to begin with. Politics is a pendulum and we have swung too far to the right. It's gonna swing back at some point. Perhaps 2020, perhaps 2024.
Yes, I agree w/ this. The pendulum will go the other way. Homestasis. Anything going too far seems to have to be reigned back, either side.
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Old 05-19-2019, 12:35 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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And states like Arizona have backed down too quickly in the face of boycotts. You will never satisfy the left. The left demands nothing less than open borders and unrestricted immigration and opposes and threatens boycotts over ANYTHING that opposes illegal immigration. Arizona simply wanted to protect itself from illegal aliens and yet gave in to out of state liberals.
It's not just the left. Even some Republicans in Arizona thought the law was too harsh ... especially when they realized how much backlash the state received after it was passed. When revenue is lost and the economy suffers, even some of the staunchest conservatives will take a different approach. A few years after the immigration law, another bill that sought to give business owners the right to refuse service to gays was brought to the Republican Governor's desk, and she vetoed it because it went too far, and would have caused even more backlash & boycotts.

This brings up another point that I've been making: economy and jobs are FAR more important to states' economies (and the national economy) than abortion. As it stands now, abortion is legal, but it's rather uncommon with better birth control methods available. So why would a state focus on something so trivial like abortion when there are much more essential things to be concerned about? School shootings, terrorism, and ID theft are 3 other issues that are far more pressing than abortion and other social issues, which most people consider PERSONAL matters.
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Old 05-19-2019, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Yes it is. The problem is that life doesn't begin at conception. Life only begins when a fetus inside a mother is viable, meaning it could survive on its own. That's what Roe v. Wade says and that is the law of the land.
That's not what Roe v Wade says, but keep making things up. It's entertaining.

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RvW does not say that.
Correct.

The issue is Roe v Wade is framed around privacy.

Detractors will claim that the word "privacy" does not appear in the Constitution, and they're right, because it doesn't.

Yet, people do have a right to privacy:

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons...shall not be violated.

That's your right to privacy from government intrusion or interference.

The phrase "to be secure" as used in the Constitution means:

1. to put out of hazard
2. to protect
3. to insure
4. to make safe

The word "secure" as used in the Constitution means:

1. Free from fear; exempt from terror; assured
2. Free from danger; safe

Those are straight from the dictionary used by the members of the various committees constructing the Constitution.



I would also point out the use of the phrase "shall not" as opposed to "may not" which are two entirely different things.
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Old 05-19-2019, 02:16 PM
 
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I'm pro-life but I understand the 4th Amendment argument and whether you are agree or not, it's a valid legal argument. I far prefer the route of eliminating as many reasons for a woman to have an abortion as possible as the best solution to eliminating abortions.

We aren't going to put women in prison for having abortions and they will continue,legal or not.
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Old 05-19-2019, 02:22 PM
 
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The Roe v. Wade decision from 1973 is now nearly 50 years old. The ruling allowed states to make their own abortion laws, which some pro-life senators say was based off of whether or not the baby in the womb is a person. If you are a woman who believes that the science from 1973 is still applicable for today you need to just get your ass back in the kitchen. Modern science has proven life begins at conception.
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Old 05-19-2019, 02:25 PM
 
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The Roe v. Wade decision from 1973 is now nearly 50 years old. The ruling allowed states to make their own abortion laws, which some pro-life senators say was based off of whether or not the baby in the womb is a person. If you are a woman who believes that the science from 1973 is still applicable for today you need to just get your ass back in the kitchen. Modern science has proven life begins at conception.
No, that is not what RvW said. RvW drew the line at viability. That line is smaller today than it was in 1973 but RvW never mentions anything about being a person.
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