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Society gets the government it deserves. No pity for Americans. We’ve had it too easy for too long and our grandchildren and their children will pay the price.
There's less people in the UK and they don't have a huge surge of illegals coming through their border to support. It seems the Baby Boomer generation will be getting screwed if the Democrats have their way. If I wanted to send my children to pre-school and college, I had to pay for it myself. Now I pay for EEE through my tax dollars. The taxpayers fund education for another 18 years and now they want us to pay for college educations also. I have my own health insurance, which I am very happy with but the Democrats want to take that away from me and force me to pay for the whole Countries, including illegals. Sounds like something I should be jumping up for joy about.
Exactly. The U.S. is NOT the UK, nor Canada. We are a very diverse, 335 million populace country with essentially Open Borders where now the Democrats want to make permanent through Amnesty. You can't finance healthcare for the ENTIRE WESTERN HEMISPHERE. "Free" college is another subject.
Exactly. The U.S. is NOT the UK, nor Canada. We are a very diverse, 335 million populace country with essentially Open Borders where now the Democrats want to make permanent through Amnesty. You can't finance healthcare for the ENTIRE WESTERN HEMISPHERE. "Free" college is another subject.
The premise that the richest country in the world is incapable of doing what dozens of developed countries already do makes no sense at all. There are many reasonable counterarguments to single payer healthcare, but impossibility is not one of them. We absolutely can finance universal healthcare for the entire US - there is no question about it, particularly given what we already spend on healthcare.
The premise that the richest country in the world is incapable of doing what dozens of developed countries already do makes no sense at all. There are many reasonable counterarguments to single payer healthcare, but impossibility is not one of them. We absolutely can finance universal healthcare for the entire US - there is no question about it, particularly given what we already spend on healthcare.
True.
But we would need strict immigration policy too, like every other developed country. You can have universal healthcare, or you can have open borders, but you can’t have both.
Vote Republican, and get no universal healthcare.
Vote Democrat, and get universal healthcare, until it goes bankrupt a few years later because of endless illegal immigration.
Ain’t America great? We have only two viable political parties, and both of them suck.
But we would need strict immigration policy too, like every other developed country. You can have universal healthcare, or you can have open borders, but you can’t have both.
Vote Republican, and get no universal healthcare.
Vote Democrat, and get universal healthcare, until it goes bankrupt a few years later because of endless illegal immigration.
Ain’t America great? We have only two viable political parties, and both of them suck.
I'd be willing to look at hybrid systems (not Obamacare) to ensure people have healthcare insurance that doesn't bankrupt them, or leave them at risk. However, we need to CLOSE THE BORDER from Illegal Aliens first. Nothing can be done until that occurs. We can't finance healthcare for the world.
I recently visited the VA with a friend who goes there for his healthcare as he was hurt while in the service, and has permanent disabilities from it. It was horrific. That is not the model we should use for this country.
The premise that the richest country in the world is incapable of doing what dozens of developed countries already do makes no sense at all. There are many reasonable counterarguments to single payer healthcare, but impossibility is not one of them. We absolutely can finance universal healthcare for the entire US - there is no question about it, particularly given what we already spend on healthcare.
its not that it is an impossibility.........its about DETAILS that the liberals REFUSE to address
let's look at health care:
currently we spend 1.3 trillion FEDERALLY (taxpayer money funding the budget) on medicare/Medicaid/VA
Medicare is a 80/20 INSURANCE (not 100% coverage, you must buy supplemental insurance...and many denials of service
Medicare for all will COST an additional 3.6 trillion ANNUALLY
a true singlepayer (100% coverage for all, no copays (it is after all SINGLE-payer) would cost an additional 5 trillion OVER what we (the governments budget) are paying currently
see its not an impossibility...but liberals FAIL to share details or answer simple questions like these two:
Question one: what guarantees does John Doe have about the QUALITY of SERVICE?.... we have seen the horror clinics of the Dept Of Health...will there be the multitude of Denial of Service like we already see with medicare??
question two: how will this be funded...how is the GOVERNMENT going to raise an additional 3.6t to 5 trillion...we already have a budget deficit....raising taxes wont get you an additional 5 trillion, unless you are going to tax EVERYONE at 75% (rich and POOR too)
that is just about the health care for 335 million Americans... and liberals keep pushing about giving this to illegals too
any given year there is about 20 million people attending college
the average cost for a bachelors degree is 36k per year or 144k for a bachelors degree (including r&b) if you do it in the normal 4 years (some people can do it in less, some people take a little longer) https://www.studentdebtrelief.us/new...-college-2018/
if you were to use the average 36k and multiply if by the average number of people attending college annually (20m)... that is 720 Billion....annually
again not impossible..but the DETAILS
will there be standards (like must maintain a 3.0 GPA)??
will this cover multiple degrees???
if you fail ONE course..are you no longer funded...what is the turn around time for a second chance (if any)??
so with "free health care" and "free college" we are talking about 5 trillion ADDITIONAL dollars, and 720 Billion dollars... nearly 6 trillion in NEW BUDGET COST
where is the magic money coming from???
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There are very few Democrat run school districts I would want to send my kids... Las Angeles, Detroit, NOLA, NYC, Dallas, Houston
.... Nope, Nope, Nope and Nope.
Very few major Dem run cities that are not near Bankrupt.
Very few large Dem run States that are not near Bankrupt.
Very few large Dem run cities that don't have a high crime problem.
Very few large Dem run Cities that don't send Politicians to Prison on Corruption Charges on a regular basis.
Basically Dems run their Govts in a Corrupt, Bankrupt, Bad Schools, High Crimes, Crap on the street. Not a place I want to live.
You know the states with the best education systems are Dem states, right? You can pull cities out all you want, but it just shows how little you know. Of course crappy run cities are Dem. You know why? Because nearly EVERY large city is run by Dems.
It's like saying, "Look at all these poor counties in (insert southern state) that are red!". Of course they are, because most of the counties are red. This is common sense. It doesn't mean Dems are bad because some cities are bad, just like it doesn't mean Reps are bad because some Rep run counties are cesspools.
But, I guess I shouldn't expect someone like yourself to care about the actual reasoning, as long as it fits your whole "Dems are terrible! They all suck!" mantra.
its not that it is an impossibility.........its about DETAILS that the liberals REFUSE to address
let's look at health care:
currently we spend 1.3 trillion FEDERALLY (taxpayer money funding the budget) on medicare/Medicaid/VA
Medicare is a 80/20 INSURANCE (not 100% coverage, you must buy supplemental insurance...and many denials of service
Medicare for all will COST an additional 3.6 trillion ANNUALLY
a true singlepayer (100% coverage for all, no copays (it is after all SINGLE-payer) would cost an additional 5 trillion OVER what we (the governments budget) are paying currently
see its not an impossibility...but liberals FAIL to share details or answer simple questions like these two:
Question one: what guarantees does John Doe have about the QUALITY of SERVICE?.... we have seen the horror clinics of the Dept Of Health...will there be the multitude of Denial of Service like we already see with medicare??
question two: how will this be funded...how is the GOVERNMENT going to raise an additional 3.6t to 5 trillion...we already have a budget deficit....raising taxes wont get you an additional 5 trillion, unless you are going to tax EVERYONE at 75% (rich and POOR too)
that is just about the health care for 335 million Americans... and liberals keep pushing about giving this to illegals too
any given year there is about 20 million people attending college
the average cost for a bachelors degree is 36k per year or 144k for a bachelors degree (including r&b) if you do it in the normal 4 years (some people can do it in less, some people take a little longer) https://www.studentdebtrelief.us/new...-college-2018/
if you were to use the average 36k and multiply if by the average number of people attending college annually (20m)... that is 720 Billion....annually
again not impossible..but the DETAILS
will there be standards (like must maintain a 3.0 GPA)??
will this cover multiple degrees???
if you fail ONE course..are you no longer funded...what is the turn around time for a second chance (if any)??
so with "free health care" and "free college" we are talking about 5 trillion ADDITIONAL dollars, and 720 Billion dollars... nearly 6 trillion in NEW BUDGET COST
where is the magic money coming from???
How much money did we spend on the Iraq war?
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