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View Poll Results: Do you support Gov. Inslee's plan to eliminate new vehicles using fossil fuels by 2030?
YES!! 7 16.67%
I support it in principle, but the timeline is too ambitious and impractical. 4 9.52%
No, forget this. 30 71.43%
other (please explain below) 1 2.38%
Voters: 42. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-16-2019, 07:31 PM
 
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Another liberal fool.
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Old 05-16-2019, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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The sky is falling. We need Inslee to save us.
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Old 05-16-2019, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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I think something like this is "aspirational" but highly unrealistic.
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Old 05-16-2019, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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It's not that far-fetched and in line with industry objectives. Ford, for example, is investing over $11 billion in electric vehicle development and planning to offer 40 models by 2022 with 16 all-electric and the others hybrids. Eleven billion is a whole lot of high paying jobs, people. I wish you righties would just stop the knee-jerk opposition to change. Change is good. Tech is good. Addressing climate threats is going to be an economic boon to any nation or region that embraces it.
Yes, this could create thousands if not millions of family wage jobs, as auto companies retool. It's a concept not dissimilar from President Obama's 'Cash for Clunkers' that was so effective.
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Old 05-16-2019, 08:44 PM
 
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I think something like this is "aspirational" but highly unrealistic.
That's what people said in 1961 after JFK's Moon Shot Speech to Congress. And yet, we did indeed go to the moon by the end of that decade.

It's definitely something to aspire to.

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Old 05-16-2019, 08:45 PM
 
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Yes, this could create thousands if not millions of family wage jobs, as auto companies retool. It's a concept not dissimilar from President Obama's 'Cash for Clunkers' that was so effective.
Some quick reads for you on that hugely successful program.

How Cash For Clunkers Failed American Taxpayers

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because auto loans still aren’t readily available and many poorer people would buy a better quality used car rather than a new car. Used car prices poor people have to pay are now higher thanks to the compulsory destruction of half a million used vehicles
Brookings: Cash for Clunkers failed

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The program, which fueled a car-buying spree in the summer of 2009, cost $1.4 million for every job it created and did little to reduce carbon emissions, a Brookings Institution report said.
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But the Brookings researchers said the program mainly benefited wealthier and more educated Americans and provided less of a fiscal boost than programs that typically target the poor like social security, unemployment benefits and payroll tax cuts, all of which have per-job costs of $200,000 or less. While over 650,000 clunkers were traded in, consumers only bought 380,000 vehicles they wouldn’t have otherwise purchased, the researchers conclude.
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The Brookings study also said the environmental impact of Cash for Clunkers was minimal, resulting in a drop of gasoline use equal to between two and eight days of current use. While the new cars had a fuel economy an average of about 10 miles per gallon better than the old cars, the program only touched a minuscule portion of the American auto fleet.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/425...trong-reported

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While the "cash for clunkers" program by the Obama Administration caused a massive surge in used vehicle prices
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Old 05-16-2019, 09:06 PM
 
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I think it’s the coldest May on record
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Old 05-16-2019, 10:28 PM
 
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It's not that far-fetched and in line with industry objectives. Ford, for example, is investing over $11 billion in electric vehicle development and planning to offer 40 models by 2022 with 16 all-electric and the others hybrids.
Maybe, but it does nothing to address climate change, which is the stated goal.
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Old 05-17-2019, 07:19 AM
 
Location: USA
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That’s fine, except that most electricity comes from fossil fuels. Oops.
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Old 05-17-2019, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Save the planet? What?! Are these f***ing people kidding me? Save the planet? We don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven't learned how to care for one another. And we're going to save the f***ing planet?!
- George Carlin
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