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Old 05-20-2019, 08:39 AM
 
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Great article. I hope every person posting in this thread (heck, every adult period) reads it.
I posted this article on CD a few months ago. A flame war ensued and the thread was shut down.

 
Old 05-20-2019, 08:42 AM
 
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Originally Posted by 4dognight View Post
Abortion is ending the life of a human being who is in the process of development.

The irony is that a significant portion of right wingers are against birth control and don't even understand how the pill works, so they're against that and want it banned. And, as we know (or should), no form of birth control outside of complete sterilization, can 100% prevent a pregnancy. Abstinence works until it doesn't. A female has the right not to be impregnated, which absolutely can and does occur as a result of rape and incest.

This is why men should be forced (by law) to not get a woman pregnant in the first place *unless* she legally consents. You remove the right for a woman to decide? Then the burden must be fully on the man and it must be by law. It should be a felony crime for a man to abandon a baby (meaning both child support & the raising of child), there should be forced vasectomy for any man who impregnates a woman outside of marriage, and castration for rapists. Sound ridiculously dystopian & severe? Not when you compare it to removing choices for a woman.
 
Old 05-20-2019, 08:52 AM
 
Location: London
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pro-murder


The RIGHT to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
How un-American can one be.
Self absorbed, selfish Marxist.
"Liberty" and "pursuit of happiness" must just be optional then. And even the first is questionable if you'd like to force women to give birth at gunpoint.
 
Old 05-20-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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The irony is that a significant portion of right wingers are against birth control and don't even understand how the pill works, so they're against that and want it banned. And, as we know (or should), no form of birth control outside of complete sterilization, can 100% prevent a pregnancy. Abstinence works until it doesn't. A female has the right not to be impregnated, which absolutely can and does occur as a result of rape and incest.

This is why men should be forced (by law) to not get a woman pregnant in the first place *unless* she legally consents. You remove the right for a woman to decide? Then the burden must be fully on the man and it must be by law. It should be a felony crime for a man to abandon a baby (meaning both child support & the raising of child), there should be forced vasectomy for any man who impregnates a woman outside of marriage, and castration for rapists. Sound ridiculously dystopian & severe? Not when you compare it to removing choices for a woman.
Go for it. See how many women fight against this because they want sex.

Women have more choices than man, they have abstinence, motherhood, adoption and a laundry list of birth control options.

If women don't want to get pregnant? They can make any number of choices to ensure that doesn't happen. One of which is 100% effective.

I think this idea of yours? Would be fine with pro lifers. Doesn't effect them at all. It will affect all the liberal men and women who keep fighting for the right to kill babies. /shrug/ So they can keep fighting for more and more restrictions against men to ensure that abortions are available.

Getting a vasectomy has no relation to getting an abortion. None, whatsoever. An abortion involves killing another person. A vasecotmy is a surgical procedure on a consenting adult's own body, doesn't affect anyone else
 
Old 05-20-2019, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Women should be able to make choices about what happens to their bodies.
they did have MANY choices


they chose to have sex or not
they chose to have protected sex or not
they chose to have sex with contraceptives or not
they chose to tell the man to put on a raincoat
they chose to use a diaphragm of not


once the TWO people created a lifeform, then it is NOT HER choice ONLY...the man certainly has a say in it..... if you doubt me, then why is it when women chose to keep the baby, the FIRST thing they do is go after child support, saying "I didn't do this by my self, it takes two to tango"
 
Old 05-20-2019, 09:04 AM
 
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Do you believe we don’t already have programs in America to feed poor children rather than starve to death?
If everything was up to the anti-abortion crowd, there wouldn't be.
 
Old 05-20-2019, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by lottamoxie View Post
The irony is that a significant portion of right wingers are against birth control and don't even understand how the pill works, so they're against that and want it banned. And, as we know (or should), no form of birth control outside of complete sterilization, can 100% prevent a pregnancy. Abstinence works until it doesn't. A female has the right not to be impregnated, which absolutely can and does occur as a result of rape and incest.

This is why men should be forced (by law) to not get a woman pregnant in the first place *unless* she legally consents. You remove the right for a woman to decide? Then the burden must be fully on the man and it must be by law. It should be a felony crime for a man to abandon a baby (meaning both child support & the raising of child), there should be forced vasectomy for any man who impregnates a woman outside of marriage, and castration for rapists. Sound ridiculously dystopian & severe? Not when you compare it to removing choices for a woman.
and what about the women out there that "trap" men.. say they are on BC, then look for child support and welfare
 
Old 05-20-2019, 09:06 AM
 
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they did have MANY choices


they chose to have sex or not
they chose to have protected sex or not
they chose to have sex with contraceptives or not
they chose to tell the man to put on a raincoat
they chose to use a diaphragm of not


once the TWO people created a lifeform, then it is NOT HER choice ONLY...the man certainly has a say in it..... if you doubt me, then why is it when women chose to keep the baby, the FIRST thing they do is go after child support, saying "I didn't do this by my self, it takes two to tango"
IT is stunning isn't it, that the ONLY decision that abortion advocates DEMAND women make is to kill their babies.

The multitude of options leading up to pregnancy? They dismiss them like gnats flying around, inconsequnetial and annoying.

Very telling what their motive is, and is simply: Abortion. That's it.
 
Old 05-20-2019, 09:11 AM
 
Location: London
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and what about the women out there that "trap" men.. say they are on BC, then look for child support and welfare
Yes that happens.

What also happens is men trapping women by lying that they'll stick around and be a good dad to any baby they make. And as soon as the woman actually falls pregnant, he just bolts.

Both of these could be prevented if there was an easy and reliable way to complete and enforce contracts. But I guess that'd kill the mood...
 
Old 05-20-2019, 09:25 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Mtnluver8956 View Post
You heard it here folks:

All women who are raped are in relationships and are asking for it and rape victims are "an idiot and a victim, with no self respect, no sense of responsibility and/or no common sense."

Sadly plenty more people truly think like that and use that thinking to affect their actions against someone else (i.e. vote for policies in which someone undeserving would suffer or maybe they are an employer and they reject people for no good reason). They blame the woman so at best they're not willing to help at worst it's almost like it's their life goal to ruin women's lives. All the more reason abortion should be a choice. Why would we want an unwanted child to be in a world where everything is your fault?
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