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Among the many threads that have debated this topic, I have heard it all .... I’ve seen females describing a pregnancy as analogous to to an unwanted “growth” .... a “tumor” a “lump of cells” a “thing”, a “cancer” .... even a “parasite”! A parasite!!!!
When I had an unwanted pregnancy, it felt like I had a cancerous growth that needed immediate removal. Having a follow-up exam two weeks post-procedure, which confirmed that I was not pregnant, was a huge sigh of relief.
How did you feel when you discovered you were pregnant and didn't want to be? As a guy, obviously you know way more about this than I do, amirite?
First of all.. stop calling them pro-lifers. This is a propaganda label they gave themselves and they are anti-choicers by all measures.
Hahaha .... you all really love the “heads I win, tails you lose” game don’t you?
Fact is, the real “propaganda” is in the masking of intentions of the “right to abortions”, with the more “Orwellian” double speak of “pro-choice”. It’s like calling a bank robbery an “unauthorized withdrawal”. That just sounds better .... if you are pro-bank robbery.
I mean, hey, what’s more agreeable to the human mind than the concept of the freedom to choose? We all like to be able to “choose”. I choose chocolate ice cream, while you may prefer vanilla. Nobody wants to be forced to eat butter pecan.... they might be allergic to nuts.
But the truth of the matter is that leftists are (in large majority) very selective in their ideas about what freedom of choice applies to. If it’s killing an unborn baby, well, that’s one of those things we MUST agree is a right to choose. Owning a firearm? Not so much .... after all, crazies kill children in schools with those guns.
Now, perhaps if you all were a bit more consistent in ideological concepts, and apply that freedom to make choices more broadly .... everyone could be happy ..... we could have a free-for-all regarding killing babies, and you all wouldn’t need to concern yourselves about firearms killing school children, because eventually, there wouldn’t be any children to shoot!!! Problem solved.
Of course, if we were to make a list of what leftists believe should be on the list of “pro-choice”, it would not come close to the much longer list of what we cannot “choose” to do, chiefly among that list is freedom of speech, especially if they don’t agree with what you might have to say, such as identifying one’s self as “pro-life”, yes?
Oh, so you don’t believe there are consequences applied to men when a child is conceived? I got a news flash for you .... there are pretty significant consequences for men too ... only our responsibility doesn’t just last for 9 months ... it lasts for a minimum of 18 years, or more, if the child attends college. Furthermore, it’s a responsibility that can result in going to jail if not met. It’s called child support. And it applies, no matter the circumstances, which quite often are extremely unfair to the man.
As a real life example ... just so you can grasp the concept ... I had a friend ... (1990’s) married his HS Sweetheart. They had 3 children. We worked ungodly hours in the car business .... 60-70 hours a week. At some point she became unhappy with the situation .... perhaps she was feeling neglected since he was always at work, busting his azz to provide for her and the kids .... so she met a guy she wound up having an affair with ... divorced my buddy .... and later remarried this very wealthy dude she divorced him for. Of course, in the majority of cases, the woman is automatically granted physical custody of the children, while the man is granted “visitation”, every other weekend. So this poor guy loses his wife, loses his children, has to sell his home and move into an apartment so he can afford to pay her the court ordered $1700 per month for the next 15+ years. To add insult to injury, she ends up living in a 1.8 Million mansion in McLean, VA, driving a brand new Jaguar, and taking vacations to Europe. He is living in a tiny apartment, driving a beat to crap ford escort, while struggling to pay the $1700 she doesn’t even need.
So, tell me again how men suffer no consequences when the sperm meets the egg? You see, it’s all about taking care of the children ... not about what is fair or unfair. There are plenty of circumstances where someone is going to suffer the consequences of conception. Sometimes it’s physical, sometimes emotional, sometimes financial, and sometimes, all of the above. But the primary point to all of it is .... the child’s wellbeing, because in every case, the child is innocent and played no role in its creation.
I don't totally disagree. Men are legally held financially responsible for their children.
Where I disagree, children are not automatically given to the mother. Men have as much right to custody. They don't want it or they are not the logical care takers as they have never been a primary care taker to their own children.
I'm not sure why you believe that both parents should not be financially responsible for their children. Just because your friends ex wife has more income available does not exonerate your friend from helping to support his children. If he is paying 1700/month their combined income is 8450/month including the income of the ex's spouse.
Men definitely have consequences if a woman chooses to keep the child but not if she chooses to abort.
More often than not it is the man who wants to abort with an unplanned pregnancy. One would think more men would be pro-choice. If it were men though that got pregnant I don't think there would be any debate over abortions being legal.
Hahaha .... you all really love the “heads I win, tails you lose” game don’t you?
Fact is, the real “propaganda” is in the masking of intentions of the “right to abortions”, with the more “Orwellian” double speak of “pro-choice”. It’s like calling a bank robbery an “unauthorized withdrawal”. That just sounds better .... if you are pro-bank robbery.
I mean, hey, what’s more agreeable to the human mind than the concept of the freedom to choose? We all like to be able to “choose”. I choose chocolate ice cream, while you may prefer vanilla. Nobody wants to be forced to eat butter pecan.... they might be allergic to nuts.
But the truth of the matter is that leftists are (in large majority) very selective in their ideas about what freedom of choice applies to. If it’s killing an unborn baby, well, that’s one of those things we MUST agree is a right to choose. Owning a firearm? Not so much .... after all, crazies kill children in schools with those guns.
Now, perhaps if you all were a bit more consistent in ideological concepts, and apply that freedom to make choices more broadly .... everyone could be happy ..... we could have a free-for-all regarding killing babies, and you all wouldn’t need to concern yourselves about firearms killing school children, because eventually, there wouldn’t be any children to shoot!!! Problem solved.
Of course, if we were to make a list of what leftists believe should be on the list of “pro-choice”, it would not come close to the much longer list of what we cannot “choose” to do, chiefly among that list is freedom of speech, especially if they don’t agree with what you might have to say, such as identifying one’s self as “pro-life”, yes?
So much for “pro-choice”, huh?
Well, abortion *saves* the children from the suffering that they would encounter. That's the argument. Because if you kill them straightaway, it's for their own benefit.
Hahaha .... you all really love the “heads I win, tails you lose” game don’t you?
Fact is, the real “propaganda” is in the masking of intentions of the “right to abortions”, with the more “Orwellian” double speak of “pro-choice”. It’s like calling a bank robbery an “unauthorized withdrawal”. That just sounds better .... if you are pro-bank robbery.
I mean, hey, what’s more agreeable to the human mind than the concept of the freedom to choose? We all like to be able to “choose”. I choose chocolate ice cream, while you may prefer vanilla. Nobody wants to be forced to eat butter pecan.... they might be allergic to nuts.
But the truth of the matter is that leftists are (in large majority) very selective in their ideas about what freedom of choice applies to. If it’s killing an unborn baby, well, that’s one of those things we MUST agree is a right to choose. Owning a firearm? Not so much .... after all, crazies kill children in schools with those guns.
Now, perhaps if you all were a bit more consistent in ideological concepts, and apply that freedom to make choices more broadly .... everyone could be happy ..... we could have a free-for-all regarding killing babies, and you all wouldn’t need to concern yourselves about firearms killing school children, because eventually, there wouldn’t be any children to shoot!!! Problem solved.
Of course, if we were to make a list of what leftists believe should be on the list of “pro-choice”, it would not come close to the much longer list of what we cannot “choose” to do, chiefly among that list is freedom of speech, especially if they don’t agree with what you might have to say, such as identifying one’s self as “pro-life”, yes?
So much for “pro-choice”, huh?
In what way do pro choice folks work to remove a person choice concerning their own reproduction or medical decisions concerning their own bodies? Do we actively try to put restrictions on the purchase of condoms or block research and use of male contraceptives? Ban or restrict Viagra or other ED medications or procedures or prevent insurance from paying for it or vasectomies.
More often than not it is the man who wants to abort with an unplanned pregnancy. One would think more men would be pro-choice. If it were men though that got pregnant I don't think there would be any debate over abortions being legal.
Why would you think more men would be pro choice? Men want and love their children just as much as women do. How many good families are started with that unplanned pregnancy followed with a marriage proposal and quick wedding? Plenty.
Why would you think more men would be pro choice? Men want and love their children just as much as women do. How many good families are started with that unplanned pregnancy followed with a marriage proposal and quick wedding? Plenty.
It's just another argument: Women get abortions because men want them to.
But if you are a proabortion women with a proabortion man ... what do you think the man will say when the woman gets pregnant?
It's another ridiculous scenario. They want men to be 100% proabortion. Yet then they get blamed *because* they want the abortion. And men who are prolife are horrible because they want the baby.
It's idiot logic.
There is no *right* belief a man can have. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
When I had an unwanted pregnancy, it felt like I had a cancerous growth that needed immediate removal. Having a follow-up exam two weeks post-procedure, which confirmed that I was not pregnant, was a huge sigh of relief.
How did you feel when you discovered you were pregnant and didn't want to be? As a guy, obviously you know way more about this than I do, amirite?
Of course, I can only speculate ... just as I can only imagine the terror of coming face to face with a hungry lion in the jungles of Africa. But I can imagine, to some degree.
Now, let me ask you a question that requires a bit of speculation .... what if a doctor diagnosed you as having a cancerous tumor, requiring surgery, chemotherapy and radiation treatments, with a survival rate of 50/50. Upon second opinion, another doctor found that you were miss diagnosed, and that you were simply pregnant? Would you be joyfully relieved ? Or would you say, meh ... what’s the difference?
Just to delineate the differences between cancerous tumors and non-tumor babies ....
This is an illustration of a “fetus” at 12 weeks. Behavior description .... “This week your baby's reflexes kick in: His fingers will soon begin to open and close, toes will curl, and his mouth will make sucking movements. He'll feel it if you gently poke your tummy – though you won't feel his movements yet.
Now keep in mind that the above is at 12 weeks, with further development being rapid from that point forward. Can you now see the difference between this and a tumor that needs to be removed immediately?
The final question begs to be asked ... is it my inability to perceive your feelings and emotions the real problem here, or has it more to do with your feelings and emotions being extremely skewed, and self centered?
Having an unwanted pregnancy felt like having a tumor that needed to be removed. Having since had a (non-cancerous) mass that needed to be removed, it didn't feel too different except the removal of the mass felt less urgent to me.
I was relieved to have an abortion and don't regret it, if that's what your asking.
If someone is pregnant and they choose to have an abortion, then they are pro-abortion. If someone is pregnant and they choose to let the child live and be delivered, they are pro-life.
Don't trust me, read Margaret Sanger's quotes about 'weeds'.
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Why do they say we're pro-abortion?
If someone is pregnant and they choose to let the child live and be delivered, they are pro-life. 
