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Old 05-20-2019, 08:11 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by AguaDulce View Post
We're not.

We're pro-choice.
pro-murder


The RIGHT to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
How un-American can one be.
Self absorbed, selfish Marxist.

 
Old 05-20-2019, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
pro-murder


The RIGHT to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
How un-American can one be.
Self absorbed, selfish Marxist.
What about the already born woman? Does she get her right to life (pregnancy can kill), liberty (being told that she can not make decision as to who can use her body), and pursuit of happiness (not everyone is happy being pregnant or giving birth).
 
Old 05-20-2019, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Whereever we have our RV parked
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It gives me a cold chill to think there are so many people who are fine with allowing a baby, just a few months or less from being born being ripped from its mothers womb and thrown in the trash.
 
Old 05-20-2019, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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It gives me a cold chill to think there are so many people who are fine with allowing a baby, just a few months or less from being born being ripped from its mothers womb and thrown in the trash.
Abortions in the third trimester, those would be a few months from birth or less, are only done in the event of lack of viability, or maternal health. Those third trimester abortions are about 1% of all abortions. There are only 3 clinics in the entire US that do third trimester abortions and only 4 doctors in the US.

Yes I am fine with aborting in the third trimester if the mothers life or health is in danger or the fetus is not compatible with life.
 
Old 05-20-2019, 08:21 AM
 
Location: A tropical island
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Originally Posted by Lieneke View Post
On a moral note, abortion cannot be discussed outside the context of what constitutes life. Life is defined by natural heartbeat. Is it morally correct to terminate a human with a heartbeat simply because that human is growing in a protected environment?
The definition of life is far, far more complicated than that. Even the greatest PhD scientists, medical doctors, and philosophers have not come up with a clear cut, agreed upon definition. Life and death are not black and white. We ease both into and out of life on a continuum. This topic could be a deep and fascinating separate thread topic (and probably is elsewhere on CD).

I don't want to derail this thread's topic, but I did want to address the false statement that "life is defined by natural heartbeat."
 
Old 05-20-2019, 08:33 AM
 
Location: A tropical island
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Six weeks is not arbitrary. That is when a fetal heart beat can be detected.

I don't accept the argument that female humans are a special sort of mammals that does not have a regular biological fertility cycle. Reading here, one gets the impression a monthly human cycle is a myth.

Regardless, there is really no excuse for women claiming that they are intelligent and capable, but when it comes to pregnancy, they know nothing and need months to figure it out.
You don't accept "the argument"?!? I don't know whether to laugh or cry! It's not an "argument." It's a fact. You truly think every woman has cycles that are like clockwork? Don't we wish! Nothing like "Aunt Flo" arriving unexpectedly, especially when we're wearing white pants, am I right ladies? Oh, but Leineke believes that doesn't happen, so I guess we're all just too stupid to count out 4 weeks.

Have you ever lived with a woman? Do have daughters? Ask them! Or ask your doctor if you don't believe us. Trust me, we are not as regular as you seem to think. Not at all.

And this is why men should not have a say in things concerning women's reproductive systems.
 
Old 05-20-2019, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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Great article. I hope every person posting in this thread (heck, every adult period) reads it.
I posted this article on CD a few months ago. A flame war ensued and the thread was shut down.
 
Old 05-20-2019, 08:42 AM
 
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Abortion is ending the life of a human being who is in the process of development.

The irony is that a significant portion of right wingers are against birth control and don't even understand how the pill works, so they're against that and want it banned. And, as we know (or should), no form of birth control outside of complete sterilization, can 100% prevent a pregnancy. Abstinence works until it doesn't. A female has the right not to be impregnated, which absolutely can and does occur as a result of rape and incest.

This is why men should be forced (by law) to not get a woman pregnant in the first place *unless* she legally consents. You remove the right for a woman to decide? Then the burden must be fully on the man and it must be by law. It should be a felony crime for a man to abandon a baby (meaning both child support & the raising of child), there should be forced vasectomy for any man who impregnates a woman outside of marriage, and castration for rapists. Sound ridiculously dystopian & severe? Not when you compare it to removing choices for a woman.
 
Old 05-20-2019, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Bran's tree
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Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
pro-murder


The RIGHT to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
How un-American can one be.
Self absorbed, selfish Marxist.
"Liberty" and "pursuit of happiness" must just be optional then. And even the first is questionable if you'd like to force women to give birth at gunpoint.
 
Old 05-20-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by lottamoxie View Post
The irony is that a significant portion of right wingers are against birth control and don't even understand how the pill works, so they're against that and want it banned. And, as we know (or should), no form of birth control outside of complete sterilization, can 100% prevent a pregnancy. Abstinence works until it doesn't. A female has the right not to be impregnated, which absolutely can and does occur as a result of rape and incest.

This is why men should be forced (by law) to not get a woman pregnant in the first place *unless* she legally consents. You remove the right for a woman to decide? Then the burden must be fully on the man and it must be by law. It should be a felony crime for a man to abandon a baby (meaning both child support & the raising of child), there should be forced vasectomy for any man who impregnates a woman outside of marriage, and castration for rapists. Sound ridiculously dystopian & severe? Not when you compare it to removing choices for a woman.
Go for it. See how many women fight against this because they want sex.

Women have more choices than man, they have abstinence, motherhood, adoption and a laundry list of birth control options.

If women don't want to get pregnant? They can make any number of choices to ensure that doesn't happen. One of which is 100% effective.

I think this idea of yours? Would be fine with pro lifers. Doesn't effect them at all. It will affect all the liberal men and women who keep fighting for the right to kill babies. /shrug/ So they can keep fighting for more and more restrictions against men to ensure that abortions are available.

Getting a vasectomy has no relation to getting an abortion. None, whatsoever. An abortion involves killing another person. A vasecotmy is a surgical procedure on a consenting adult's own body, doesn't affect anyone else
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