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Old 05-19-2019, 08:48 AM
 
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They Conservatives took a pragmatic view on climate change and doing "our bit". The losing Labor party and the Greens were running with the usual "catastrophic" claims and wanted us to pay a lot more so the temps wouldn't rise. They called it the Climate Change election. This was strongly repudiated.
While I am pleased that the more practical and responsible party won in Australia, the larger cause for celebration is that the leftists lost. These people are dangerous in the extreme. They are breathtakingly selfish, shockingly narrow minded and doctrinaire, and relentlessly deceitful. They are also vitriolically nasty and hateful people.

Of course their historical record is as vivid of a real life horror show reel as the human race can possibly assemble. From Joseph Stalin's Russia, to Adolph Hitler's Germany, to Mao's China, these are arguably the top of the list of the most evil people and the most evil and murderous regimes that humanity has ever produced, and they were all socialists of different flavors, adapted to their time and place and historical circumstances. Of course we could go on to also mention Kim's North Korea, Chavez and Maduro's Venezuela and Castro's Cuba.
They are not 'liberals' (liberal comes from the same word as liberty).

They are not 'progressive' (The rule of man rather than the rule of law; economics that benefits only the elites, with no chance of those who are not; "Political correctness" and "Identity politics" as dictated by the establishment, instead of freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of association and the right to protest, and due process under the law - This is regressive, not progressive).

They are not 'democratic' (they have tried to legitimize the last two Republican presidents elected here - because they did not win, and as we see here, the people are vilified in the extreme if they fail to vote in support of the whoever the leftists are)
They are supporters of an establishment socialist globalist collectivism agenda that is not for the benefit of the people or of humankind. It is for the power and control of their tribe, with whatever horrors that are inflicted on everyone else is just not their problem.

The greater victory here is that the leftists did not win. And that we should all be thankful for.
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Old 05-19-2019, 09:29 AM
 
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While I am pleased that the more practical and responsible party won in Australia, the larger cause for celebration is that the leftists lost. These people are dangerous in the extreme. They are breathtakingly selfish, shockingly narrow minded and doctrinaire, and relentlessly deceitful. They are also vitriolically nasty and hateful people.

Of course their historical record is as vivid of a real life horror show reel as the human race can possibly assemble. From Joseph Stalin's Russia, to Adolph Hitler's Germany, to Mao's China, these are arguably the top of the list of the most evil people and the most evil and murderous regimes that humanity has ever produced, and they were all socialists of different flavors, adapted to their time and place and historical circumstances. Of course we could go on to also mention Kim's North Korea, Chavez and Maduro's Venezuela and Castro's Cuba.
They are not 'liberals' (liberal comes from the same word as liberty).

They are not 'progressive' (The rule of man rather than the rule of law; economics that benefits only the elites, with no chance of those who are not; "Political correctness" and "Identity politics" as dictated by the establishment, instead of freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of association and the right to protest, and due process under the law - This is regressive, not progressive).

They are not 'democratic' (they have tried to legitimize the last two Republican presidents elected here - because they did not win, and as we see here, the people are vilified in the extreme if they fail to vote in support of the whoever the leftists are)
They are supporters of an establishment socialist globalist collectivism agenda that is not for the benefit of the people or of humankind. It is for the power and control of their tribe, with whatever horrors that are inflicted on everyone else is just not their problem.

The greater victory here is that the leftists did not win. And that we should all be thankful for.
And, as I already said, "leftist" here would be "conservative there." Most of our left is not really that far out (some are, but Dems mostly ignore them.) The people who won in Australia are what we Dems would have voted for too.

Agreed on polls too. UK Media said the royal baby would be James or Alexander. ARCHIE?
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Old 05-19-2019, 10:02 AM
 
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And, as I already said, "leftist" here would be "conservative there." Most of our left is not really that far out (some are, but Dems mostly ignore them.) The people who won in Australia are what we Dems would have voted for too.

Agreed on polls too. UK Media said the royal baby would be James or Alexander. ARCHIE?
You are in error.

This was supposed to be "The climate change election" in Australia. Contrary to what hardcore leftists here and in Australia would dishonestly suggest, right leaning people like me are moderate, responsible people who care about the environment and who believe in cleaning up after ourselves, but doing that in a way that is considerate of the economic well being of people both here and around the world.

The alternative is the doctrinaire agenda of globalist socialist control freaks, who have corrupted the reputation of true scientists by promoting their typical collectivist command and control economic propaganda in the wrapper of "science". And if you dare not to agree with them, you are a bigot or a racist or a Nazi. Also, according to them, "the debate is over," which in real science, it never is.

Yeah, that is very "scientific". You betcha.

Leftists appear to corrupt everything that they touch. This is just one more item on a very long list.

The people of Australia voted for what the considered to be a responsible and moderate government that will be considerate of environmental matters in practical and socially responsible ways. Rubber stamping the globalist socialist left's extreme, self serving power grab over the energy and environmental sectors is not that and the people are not going along. Nor should they.
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Old 05-19-2019, 10:10 AM
 
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You may like to pretend there is no linkage, but there is.
So what is it then? Inquiring minds like to know.
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Old 05-19-2019, 10:13 AM
 
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So what is it then? Inquiring minds like to know.
That the globalist left agenda does not have the support either here or around the world that the Democrat left and the left leaning media have consistently insisted that it necessarily must.
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Old 05-19-2019, 10:26 AM
 
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That the globalist left agenda does not have the support either here or around the world that the Democrat left and the left leaning media have consistently insisted that it necessarily must.
This is really it in a nutshell. Global media has been pushing an erroneous agenda of stories, opinions, polls, etc. indicating “the end” of conservative values across the planet, but these theories are being proven wrong in elections worldwide by a silent majority who fly in the face of the lies being sold as truth.
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Old 05-19-2019, 10:30 AM
 
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This is really it in a nutshell. Global media has been pushing an erroneous agenda of stories, opinions, polls, etc. indicating “the end” of conservative values across the planet, but these theories are being proven wrong in elections worldwide by a silent majority who fly in the face of the lies being sold as truth.
Well, here's the problem - what's "conservative" in one country is different than another. So it's kind of erroneous to try to derive or devine that it's a global trend.

As they say, all politics are local.
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Old 05-19-2019, 10:37 AM
 
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Well, here's the problem - what's "conservative" in one country is different than another. So it's kind of erroneous to try to derive or devine that it's a global trend.

As they say, all politics are local.
If you want to focus on political labels and ignore the agendas of the parties and the candidates, you might be able to mollify yourself with that kind of talk. But it is the agendas and the priorities of these parties and candidates that are what is truly relevant.

If you look at it that way, the hardcore globalist left that promotes grabbing power by any means necessary in parties around the world, including by promoting a standard socialist economic agenda under a thinly veiled cover of global warming alarmism, is being resisted and rejected again, and again, and again.

This election in Australia is just the latest example. There is expected to be another such example in the EU Parliamentary elections in Europe next week.
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Old 05-19-2019, 10:43 AM
 
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Well, here's the problem - what's "conservative" in one country is different than another. So it's kind of erroneous to try to derive or devine that it's a global trend.

As they say, all politics are local.
While what you say is technically true, we’ve got enough data out of the last three Western elections (US, UK, Aus) to make a fair assertion that the battle of conservatism vs progressivism is based on many of the same specific values and policies across these countries. The names of the parties may change, but the wants and desires are about the same in each country.
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Old 05-19-2019, 11:06 AM
 
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