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Do you think we have unlimited potable water and unlimited buildable land? Look at India. They have over 1 billion people and Bangalore doesn't have enough potable water. Is that the future you want to see for the US?
We're 175th in the world in population density; Kyrgystan is 176th. We are in no danger of running out of buildable land. India has 159 people per square mile. We have 13. We're closer to being Greenland than India in buildable land.
Once again, read Johnathan V Last's book What to Expect When No One's Expecting. The dangers of having negative population growth far exceed the dangers of having the types of modest population growth that the United States experiences.
So what are you proposing, besides banning abortion? Banning Birth Control and Sterilizations so Americans have more (unwanted) children? Do you want to fund Government run Orphanages for all these people who do not want to raise their unwanted children?
I'm opposed to abortion except under extreme circumstances. I have no issue with birth control and in fact encourage it for those who don't want and undesired pregnancy. However, we need to take measures to discourage irresponsibility on the part of the humans who do keep creating babies they don't want and don't support knowing full well that the taxpayer will take care of them after birth.
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I'm opposed to abortion except under extreme circumstances. I have no issue with birth control and in fact encourage it for those who don't want and undesired pregnancy. However, we need to take measures to discourage irresponsibility on the part of the humans who do keep creating babies they don't want and don't support knowing full well that the taxpayer will take care of them after birth.
I.E. letting said babies starve to death, sounds great 😑
We're 175th in the world in population density; Kyrgystan is 176th. We are in no danger of running out of buildable land. India has 159 people per square mile. We have 13. We're closer to being Greenland than India in buildable land.
Once again, read Johnathan V Last's book What to Expect When No One's Expecting. The dangers of having negative population growth far exceed the dangers of having the types of modest population growth that the United States experiences.
Seriously?
You must be looking at all those wide open desert spaces when you claim we won't run out of buildable land. If so, that land isn't buildable. Those people you see there have to have their water trucked in. I'm sure that you are factoring all that desert land when you say we have 13 people per square mile.
It doesn't bother you to watch green space disappear and animals become displaced?
Do you seriously think we have unlimited potable water? Good grief! Did you know (I saw this on CBS evening news) Phoenix and Tucson rely on underground aquifers for their water and no one knows how much is in them. FL is having sinkhole problems---many of which are traced to all the digging looking for underground aquifers for the ever growing population.
We're 175th in the world in population density; Kyrgystan is 176th. We are in no danger of running out of buildable land. India has 159 people per square mile. We have 13. We're closer to being Greenland than India in buildable land.
Once again, read Johnathan V Last's book What to Expect When No One's Expecting. The dangers of having negative population growth far exceed the dangers of having the types of modest population growth that the United States experiences.
One hundred and twenty five million additional people in just 50 years. Yeah, modest population growth.
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We're 175th in the world in population density; Kyrgystan is 176th. We are in no danger of running out of buildable land. India has 159 people per square mile. We have 13. We're closer to being Greenland than India in buildable land.
Once again, read Johnathan V Last's book What to Expect When No One's Expecting. The dangers of having negative population growth far exceed the dangers of having the types of modest population growth that the United States experiences.
I read a couple of reviews on your suggested reading ... ty
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One hundred and twenty five million additional people in just 50 years. Yeah, modest population growth.
Summary ...
"By 2030, immigration is projected to become the primary driver of population growth: more people are projected to be added to the population through net international migration than from natural increase. The projected shift to net international immigration as the primary driver of population growth is the result of falling fertility rates and the rising number of deaths in an aging population, not because of a projected increase in international migration. The rapid aging of the population between 2020 and 2040 will have a substantial demographic impact on the country.
Despite slowing growth, the U.S. population is still projected to grow. This continued growth sets the United States apart from some of the other developed countries whose populations are expected to barely increase or contract over the next few decades." (my emphasis)
Change the driver, change the growth? Keep Trump in the WH, it could happen.
You must be looking at all those wide open desert spaces when you claim we won't run out of buildable land. If so, that land isn't buildable. Those people you see there have to have their water trucked in. I'm sure that you are factoring all that desert land when you say we have 13 people per square mile.
It doesn't bother you to watch green space disappear and animals become displaced?
Do you seriously think we have unlimited potable water? Good grief! Did you know (I saw this on CBS evening news) Phoenix and Tucson rely on underground aquifers for their water and no one knows how much is in them. FL is having sinkhole problems---many of which are traced to all the digging looking for underground aquifers for the ever growing population.
Get real!
I grew up in Pennsylvania - - there are counties that have more deer than people in them. Lots of area, lots of water. And Pennsylvania is absolutely teeming with people in comparison to other states. Where I live now, San Diego, it has more people in it than ten states have. You're telling me there isn't room for people or water in North and South Dakota, Montana, Vermont, Maine, Wyoming, etc?
There are ways to be smart about green space and flora and fauna and still maintain our current population (not expand, maintain).
I grew up in Pennsylvania - - there are counties that have more deer than people in them. Lots of area, lots of water. And Pennsylvania is absolutely teeming with people in comparison to other states. Where I live now, San Diego, it has more people in it than ten states have. You're telling me there isn't room for people or water in North and South Dakota, Montana, Vermont, Maine, Wyoming, etc?
There are ways to be smart about green space and flora and fauna and still maintain our current population (not expand, maintain).
There's room, but there's no need or desire. If we wanted or needed more people, we would make them. But we don't.
I grew up in Pennsylvania - - there are counties that have more deer than people in them. Lots of area, lots of water. And Pennsylvania is absolutely teeming with people in comparison to other states. Where I live now, San Diego, it has more people in it than ten states have. You're telling me there isn't room for people or water in North and South Dakota, Montana, Vermont, Maine, Wyoming, etc?
There are ways to be smart about green space and flora and fauna and still maintain our current population (not expand, maintain).
And where will people find work in rural areas? Did you think about that? You have this naive vision of packing rural areas will millions of people who somehow will manage to make a living. Have you forgotten that we also need lots of farmland to feed people? And you want to take that farmland away?
Besides, look at PA. There are lots of mountainous areas where the land is not buildable due to the terrain. Everywhere in the country there are flatlands that have soil that's not conducive to building.
You need to get that image of 13 people per square mile out of your head.
Do you know how Montana got its name? Answer: all the mountains. Just take a drive through that states and you will quickly see that those mountains don't have all that much buildable land.
Some places have very harsh weather in the winter, like the Dakotas. Put millions of people there and you will need to find enough sources of fuel to keep them warm in the winter. You can say the same thing about Wyoming.
And where is all the money going to come from to add to the existing infrastructure? You know---roads, sewers, water treatment plants, electricity, etc.?
You really need to educate yourself on this issue. Just because our current population comes out to 13 people per square mile, doesn't mean we have unlimited buildable land and potable water. Those are 2 issues you willfully ignore.
We don't need to add anymore people to our population. It's long past time to drastically reduce legal immigration and send the illegal aliens packing.
Oh...BTW if PA is so great with all this, according to you, buildable land, then what are you doing in San Diego? Think about that for a minute.
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Look at India. They have over 1 billion people and Bangalore doesn't have enough potable water. Is that the future you want to see for the US?
