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Now if you tell me that Fred the ME with a BSME who works 45 hours a week and has 10 years experience makes more than Lisa the ME with a BSME who works 45 hours a week and has 10 years experience I will agree.
Exactly, but I dont think thats the case 99.9% of the time.
If women want equal pay they need to do blue collar construction jobs such as Heat and Air, electrician, bricklayer, oil rig worker, etc. They also need to study engineering, math, physics, and computer science. These are the best paid jobs and it is mostly men. Somehow women tend to favor low paying jobs such as sociology or liberal arts.
Lastly the stats are manipulated by the left: The compare the salaries of secretaries with engineers and then claim pay discrimination.
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Men do 96% of the dying in dangerous decent paying jobs. Plus dominating science and engineering - the hard degrees. Reading about womens studies then doing part time work is not going to pay as well as mastering quantum mechanics - in a sane world.
I would imagine this is about equal pay for the same job position, not equal pay for day care employee and engineer.
The devil is in the details, Harris & company would want a bureaucrat that they own to decide what jobs are "equal".
And that....is exactly where the "devil" is in the details. A government bureaucrat or agency deciding exactly what each position within a company is "worth", to a private company.
My neighbor has a lawn service take care of his lawn. I take care of my own. My neighbor feels his lawn guy is worth more to him, than I think he would be to me...hence I don't use his services. Is either of us wrong ? Absolutely not! In fact we're both right. It's a judgment call, and includes our own very individual opportunity cost for our own very individual situations...and companies would be no different with their analysis I'd think.
Is the aerospace engineer worth the same as the janitor who cleans the bathrooms in the same facility? When I enter the bathroom I certainly want it clean, and don't want poop on the floor, so I guess for my immediate needs, and for the protection of my health, the janitor is indeed worth the same amount as the aerospace engineer who has no direct impact on my day to day work experience. Oh...except for the fact that without the aerospace engineer I may not even have a job, there is that!
So how exactly do you determine the value of dissimilar jobs in dissimilar companies and boil that all down into an exact salary amount that in the bureaucrats opinion "should" be paid for this exact person in this exact job?
If this idea, as presented, were ever implemented, it would be a a train wreck in the making...and anyone with an ounce of sense would see that coming.
I would imagine this is about equal pay for the same job position, not equal pay for day care employee and engineer.
if liberals were ACTUALLY concerned with fairness...then they would be pushing for a pay for performance law, rather than a "same pay/same outcome" scenario that doesn't exist
why should the other person be paid the same as me.........if I have more experience.......and more skill
do you really think the worst mechanic in town, should get paid the same as the best mechanic in town??? just because he is doing the same job, and meeting a "standard"
pay is set by QUALIFICATIONS and needs...needs of the company AND needs of the employee who negotiates starting wage during the application process
do you really think pay should be only set by title???
should a _________(you choose man/woman/it) who has been DOING THE JOB for 1 year be paid the same as a __________ who has been DOING the JOB for 10 years( EXPERIENCE )?????
should a woman or man coming into the shop as a mechanic be paid the same as my lead mechanic, just because the title says mechanic????
should a woman LAWYER just coming out of law school be paid the same as a male lawyer that has been practicing for the last 20 years???
should a woman just coming onto the job, (but has 10 years experience) be paid the same as an employee that has been with the COMPANY for the last 10 years ( LONGEVITY on the job)????
should an employee based in a NYC company be paid the same as an employee based in a Biloxi Mississippi company, just because they have the same title, and are the same type of company??? even though the cost of living is like 4-1 difference??
pay is set by skill, experience, education, and need, and associated benefits (say the woman REQUIRES a 35hr week due to daycare)...and how you PRESENT YOURSELF on the interview
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