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Old 05-21-2019, 04:02 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Yeah...Britain is a great place to do business. You’re exactly right. And THAT’S part of the problem. It’s been a bonanza for the business class. For blue collar Brits, it’s been a nightmare. You simply can’t deny that the British middle class has shrank considerably and inexorably. You can’t stop the bleeding.

As for the tech, pharma and aerospace sectors, let’s not play games. You and I know that only a tiny number of people qualify for those jobs at any given period. The overwhelming majority of people that have lost jobs in traditional British industries don’t have the background for employment in those sectors.
Traditional Industries have indeed declined, however unlike the US we are not trying to bring back coal mining or bring in steel tariffs and the situation is not unique to Britain, indeed most western countries have seen a decline in traditional industries.

The truth is most cheap manufacturing can be carried out more cheaply in other countries, with the exception of high end manufacturing and research.

The main growth sectors are in health, education, finances, tourism, transport/logistics, communication, and construction, whilst more advanced manufacturing and researcg is growing, however the trouble with manufacturing is that it is beoming increasingly automated.

"Overall in 2017, 29.7% of workers in the UK were employed in the public administration, education and health sector (the highest percentage out of all sectors); 18.7% were employed in distribution, hotels and restaurants, 17.3% in banking, finance and insurance, 9.3% in manufacturing, 9.0% in transport and communications, 7.4% in construction, 5.9% in other services, 1.7% in energy and water, and 1.1% in agriculture and fishing".

It should be noted that some of these sectors are far more middle class than many of the traditional sectors they replaced, whilst Britain has a very high employment rate compared to many other parts of Europe, indeed many were devasated by the Euro crisis.

UK became more middle class than working class in 2000, data shows - The Guardian


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Moreover, British wages are tenaciously stagnant for the middle class, and Britain is VERY expensive to live in. Yes, British wages have ticked up a bit recently, but not nearly enough to recover to pre-2008 levels. And wages weren’t even good THEN!!
There has been an effort to reduce budget deficits and debt in the UK since the 2008 Fnancial Crisis, and this has had some success, this is the opposite approach to the US, which has not dealt effetively with it's debt and budget deficit problems

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Look, not picking on Britain. The United States has far worse issues than you guys do by a long shot. Every problem you have, we have too, only our version of it is on steroids (pardon the pathetic fallacy).
I think yout previous post, was way too harsh, and there are a lot of positives as well as the negatives in terms of Britain.
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Old 05-21-2019, 05:42 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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What is this lovefest from American rightwingers for a British felon? Is it just because he shares their Islamophobia and bigotry?
Yes its weird, I had never even heard of him until recently.
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Old 05-21-2019, 06:30 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Tommy who?
Stephen Yaxley
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Old 05-21-2019, 06:41 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RTwkt15CS4




Muslim riot in Oldham
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Old 05-21-2019, 12:05 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Tommy Robinsons property damaged. Arrest made.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AayWhuiaF04
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Old 05-21-2019, 01:12 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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Traditional Industries have indeed declined, however unlike the US we are not trying to bring back coal mining or bring in steel tariffs and the situation is not unique to Britain, indeed most western countries have seen a decline in traditional industries.

The truth is most cheap manufacturing can be carried out more cheaply in other countries, with the exception of high end manufacturing and research.

The main growth sectors are in health, education, finances, tourism, transport/logistics, communication, and construction, whilst more advanced manufacturing and researcg is growing, however the trouble with manufacturing is that it is beoming increasingly automated.

"Overall in 2017, 29.7% of workers in the UK were employed in the public administration, education and health sector (the highest percentage out of all sectors); 18.7% were employed in distribution, hotels and restaurants, 17.3% in banking, finance and insurance, 9.3% in manufacturing, 9.0% in transport and communications, 7.4% in construction, 5.9% in other services, 1.7% in energy and water, and 1.1% in agriculture and fishing".

It should be noted that some of these sectors are far more middle class than many of the traditional sectors they replaced, whilst Britain has a very high employment rate compared to many other parts of Europe, indeed many were devasated by the Euro crisis.

UK became more middle class than working class in 2000, data shows - The Guardian




There has been an effort to reduce budget deficits and debt in the UK since the 2008 Fnancial Crisis, and this has had some success, this is the opposite approach to the US, which has not dealt effetively with it's debt and budget deficit problems



I think yout previous post, was way too harsh, and there are a lot of positives as well as the negatives in terms of Britain.
Yet another brilliant post in a sea of ignorance, I wish I could rep you again!
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Old 05-21-2019, 01:16 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Yet another brilliant post in a sea of ignorance, I wish I could rep you again!
Could Britain ever be self sufficient?
If they were cut off from the worlds trade, could Britain survive? Or would it be Venezuela 2.0
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Old 05-21-2019, 01:21 PM
 
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We would certainly run out of bananas and pineapples pretty quickly. Why would any country try to be self - sufficient though? North Korea gives it a good attempt but I'm not convinced its a wise policy. Its best to specialise in what you are good at and use the profits from that to buy in the specialisms of other countries
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Old 05-21-2019, 01:23 PM
 
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In any case, since when has Huyton been the British Countryside?
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Old 05-21-2019, 01:29 PM
 
Location: North America
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wazs8dfT3uo


The establishment hides the truth, to control their Property.
The change is on the horizon.
Move to Britain, picket the courts.
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