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Old 05-21-2019, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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because buses dont add to traffic and buses stopping on the road to pick up/drop off don't cause delays.
How safe are buses anyway? Look at all the safety items in a modern car, comparatively school buses are stuck in the 60's and many dont even have seat belts
Now we have a fleet of buses that will need to be purchased, maintained and staffed with drivers and support staff. Sounds like a great way to make education more expensive without any benefit to the student
One bus compared to 30 SUVs, which one uses more fuel and creates more traffic to accomplish the same task (transporting 30 children to/from school)?
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Old 05-21-2019, 03:21 PM
 
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One bus compared to 30 SUVs, which one uses more fuel and creates more traffic to accomplish the same task (transporting 30 children to/from school)?
Are you factoring in the cost to buy the buses, build garages, staff with bus drivers and mechanics?
Of course not, you're spending everyone elses money!
You and bernie should stay out of education and let parents make the best choices for their children. besides your math is terrible.
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Old 05-21-2019, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Are you factoring in the cost to buy the buses, build garages, staff with bus drivers and mechanics?
Of course not, you're spending everyone elses money!
You and bernie should stay out of education and let parents make the best choices for their children. besides your math is terrible.
How is my math terrible, do tell? Arithmetic was an area I naturally excelled at in school
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Old 05-21-2019, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Are you factoring in the cost to buy the buses, build garages, staff with bus drivers and mechanics?
Of course not, you're spending everyone elses money!
You and bernie should stay out of education and let parents make the best choices for their children. besides your math is terrible.
And yes I am factoring it in, if a high school has 400 students (like mine did), that's 33 buses vs 400 cars/SUVs. It's fewer vehicles and less fuel to accomplish the same task
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Old 05-21-2019, 03:27 PM
 
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How is my math terrible, do tell? Arithmetic was an area I naturally excelled at in school
You're arguing the efficiency of busing but ignoring all of the associated costs related to purchase, operation and maintenance.

Just be honest, you dont care the cost or any safety issue, so long as you can force those kids onto the bus and into a neighborhood school of your choosing
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Old 05-21-2019, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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You're arguing the efficiency of busing but ignoring all of the associated costs related to purchase, operation and maintenance.

Just be honest, you dont care the cost or any safety issue, so long as you can force those kids onto the bus and into a neighborhood school of your choosing
I can't defend your position in this at all, I view it as wrong on it's face
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Old 05-21-2019, 03:47 PM
 
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I can't defend your position in this at all, I view it as wrong on it's face
My position is free market, decentralized education system with parents and students having the freedom of choice.
Sounds terrible huh?
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Old 05-21-2019, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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My position is free market, decentralized education system with parents and students having the freedom of choice.
Sounds terrible huh?
Actually it does. The beauty of public education is it equalizes the cost burden among all parents, where with private education, everyone has to pay the same dollar amount, which is a much more severe burden to lower income families than to the wealthy
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Old 05-21-2019, 09:05 PM
 
Location: California
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Equality at the lowest common denominator shouldn't be our goal.
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Old 05-22-2019, 07:20 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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One bus compared to 30 SUVs, which one uses more fuel and creates more traffic to accomplish the same task (transporting 30 children to/from school)?
I could walk to the closest Junior High, yet they bused us, 10 miles and across the river(they called us River Rats)and I drove myself to High School, that was 10 miles away, when the closest was 3 miles.
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