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Old 12-19-2006, 12:45 PM
 
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to all people with poverty-to-lower-middle-class incomes, or creating a universal health insurance system (not a national health system)...

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Old 12-19-2006, 12:49 PM
 
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Problem in this country is the lazy, unworking, etc are the ones leeching off the system.

We have people who have EBT, subsidized housing, etc for their entire lives simply because they continue to pump out 9 different kids by 9 different Dads.

With regards to health care in the country, if you're an illegal alien, don't work, or are in prison -- health care is free. If you barely make above the poverty line and can't afford insurance, you pay bills for the rest of your life if you dare get hurt.

In my opinion, cut off all free handouts to illegals, people in prison, the homeless, etc and only give health care to those that can afford it/have insurance OR create a national system (a system where the ones that pay into it and hold jobs are given preference over some Baby Moma or drug dealer on the street).
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Old 12-19-2006, 01:07 PM
 
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Problem in this country is the lazy, unworking, etc are the ones leeching off the system.

We have people who have EBT, subsidized housing, etc for their entire lives simply because they continue to pump out 9 different kids by 9 different Dads.

With regards to health care in the country, if you're an illegal alien, don't work, or are in prison -- health care is free. If you barely make above the poverty line and can't afford insurance, you pay bills for the rest of your life if you dare get hurt.

In my opinion, cut off all free handouts to illegals, people in prison, the homeless, etc and only give health care to those that can afford it/have insurance OR create a national system (a system where the ones that pay into it and hold jobs are given preference over some Baby Moma or drug dealer on the street).
I find your words harsh, and you might want to reconsider your screen name.

I admit, I volunteered in a homeless shelter and also worked as a paid person in a domestic violence shelter. The homeless were very appreciative of whatever help was extended. The women at the DV shelter did me in. It ain't no Lifetime movie.

I've realized the line between being okay and not okay is very thin. All it takes is a catastrophe and one can find themselves on the side of not okay.

I cannot tell you how angry I became at some women who were so irresponsible and kept having children. Then again, where were the men why didn't keep their fly shut?

Compassion is warranted. Accountability is more warranted. If people are going to receive benefits, they must meet certain benchmarks in terms of doing the work to get themselves on their feet. Greed must be checked too, and for this reason I favor universal health care. It's pathetic that we're rich beyond belief and have 45mm people uninsured, many of whom work hard.
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Old 12-19-2006, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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I think people ought to be able to buy into Medicaid based on their income. I think NY state allows some people to do that. My husband does contracted work so he does not get medical coverage through work. My employer covers him; the premiums and the copays are very high. Fortunately we make decent money, so we can afford it. I have no idea how we'd make ends meet if we did not make the amount of money that we do. I don't know how the secretaries, clerks, etc. who work with me manage, unless their spouses have good, inexpensive insurance through their employer.
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Old 12-19-2006, 01:41 PM
 
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I believe we need national insurance because some people are uninsurable even if they have jobs. There are a lot of people with chronic serious illnesses in this country that insurers don't want to insure.
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Old 12-19-2006, 01:56 PM
 
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I believe we need national insurance because some people are uninsurable even if they have jobs. There are a lot of people with chronic serious illnesses in this country that insurers don't want to insure.
Amen, I am one of them, even though I get sick once a year with the flu or a cold (knock on wood). Right now, I pay $455 a month for insurance and all I've had to do is get a physical and then antibiotics yesterday for bronchitis. I do have asthma (controlled and there was something else a few years back I was treated for, which makes me uninsurable, even though I handle it myself).
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Old 12-19-2006, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Triangle, North Carolina
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One thing that will solve much of the Insurance / Affordable Health Care situation, which will never happen is the "removal" of government programs and tort reform.

It is a historical proven fact that Socialism has not nor will ever work, either in medicine nor anything else. When beaucracy grows, quality suffers. Most complain about our medical "system" however, it is the best in the world thus the influx of foreign parties looking for cures.

The issues facing the general public are anti-productive, regulative laws written by politicians and the American Ambulance Chaser, woops, Bar Association.

There are many cases that rank into the 1,000's. Today we have doctors leaving practice due to E&O malpractice coverage being unaffordable. The average OB/GYN can face annual premiums exceeding $70,000 per year just to fend off parasitical lawyers. Doctors getting sued for being unpleasant, doctors being sued for small infractions. Granted there are some quack's out there, but in the past before countersuits by lawyers they were removed from duty.

As I said there are many examples: The one I like to use is the Breast enhancement silicone implant suit. Remember, the doctors being sued, the manufacturer being sued, all for "voluntary" surgeries. What was the verdict. Doctors out of practice, though many were very good. Your and my insurance rates going through the roof to pay settlements in the billions, etc.
But what was the overall end result? The women received maybe a couple thousand each, which was "taxed" by the government, and a lawyer that became so rich that he built a new law building, bought a professional baseball team, even paid to help build a new stadium. Oh yes, even gave thousands to re-elect his local Senator and Congressman to even more terms to assist those of his ilk.

Going back, should Medicade be extended. Yes or no opinion does not matter. It WILL be. So will total Socialized Medical care. It's coming, and there is nothing we can do about it. Both Parties, which today they are one in the same want it. The ABA wants it, and the schmo's on the receiving end can face further declining care and waiting lists a mile long. Don't worry though, you can be sure our Government beaucrats and top dog lawyers will still have care that is second to none. Yet, one more example of the War against the Middle Class.

Good Luck
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Old 12-19-2006, 03:07 PM
 
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I'm going to quote my own post:

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With regards to health care in the country, if you're an illegal alien, don't work, or are in prison -- health care is free. If you barely make above the poverty line and can't afford insurance, you pay bills for the rest of your life if you dare get hurt.
It's downright sickening that we have illegals jumping across the border and having 2,3,4 kids on American soil and becoming eligible for all kinds of handouts. The same if you sit around and don't work (and yes -- you can still get subsidized housing and foodstamps) or if you commit murder and are in prison for the rest of your life.

It's quite sad that Joe American (or perhaps in 20 years -- Juan Americano) who can't afford insurance but works forty hours a week is stuck with bills for life if he gets hurt. I know if I couldn't afford insurance and got hurt, I'd be screaming "no habla ingles" and throw my wallet away.

This country need a new government and a new party who is concerned with the American people -- not illegal aliens, not Mexico, not Israel, not other countries, but the American people. The hardworking Joe American.

Socialism, like Communism, will never work. You constantly have to drag the unwilling and lazy along with you. In a perfect world, where everybody worked, maybe things would be different but there are just too many who think someone else owes them a living (the only thing people are owed is what they earn and work for).

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Old 12-19-2006, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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Problem in this country is the lazy, unworking, etc are the ones leeching off the system.

We have people who have EBT, subsidized housing, etc for their entire lives simply because they continue to pump out 9 different kids by 9 different Dads.

With regards to health care in the country, if you're an illegal alien, don't work, or are in prison -- health care is free. If you barely make above the poverty line and can't afford insurance, you pay bills for the rest of your life if you dare get hurt.

In my opinion, cut off all free handouts to illegals, people in prison, the homeless, etc and only give health care to those that can afford it/have insurance OR create a national system (a system where the ones that pay into it and hold jobs are given preference over some Baby Moma or drug dealer on the street).


Dont lump the homeless in with Illegals and prisoners!! Most are not there by choice, but circumstance and they deserve respect and our help. God forbid anything happened to you and you lost everything.
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Old 12-19-2006, 05:05 PM
 
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Dont lump the homeless in with Illegals and prisoners!! Most are not there by choice, but circumstance and they deserve respect and our help. God forbid anything happened to you and you lost everything.
I didn't say anything critical about homeless people. I was stating that the system is screwed where people who don't work and live off welfare, prisoners, illegal aliens, etc get FREE health care where-as someone who works 40 hours a week barely making above the poverty level and cannot afford insurance is screwed and thrown into bankruptcy if they dare get hurt.
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