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Old 06-08-2019, 02:01 AM
 
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Ya. Good `ol "Wet Start" McCain. he was such an asset to those that served around the Admiral's spoiled kid.
Point is he did his duty. That’s all that matters.

Politics within the officer Corp is unavoidable no matter whose kid you are. McCain isn’t the first ensign to have a flag officer for a father. Big deal. Happens all the time.
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Old 06-08-2019, 03:06 AM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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That’s bunk. They whined aplenty, and a bunch of them were bigoted a-holes that liberated people all over the world while coming back home to the USA to kick around minorities.

My grandfather spent a huge portion of his time in the Navy getting in fights (and whipping their asses) with his white naval and Marine colleagues who thought it was okay to pick on and belittle black sailors. Especially the idiot sailors that hailed from the Jim Crow South.
On point. And don't forget the "Red Scare"/HUAC nonsense. Demonizing and ruining the careers/lives of people due to their beliefs? Gee... isn't that in part what brought on WWII?

And don't get me started on the sheer idiocy of " duck and cover!" Like that is going to protect you in a nuclear attack!
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Old 06-08-2019, 03:20 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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We need another generation like that.



Brave men and lets not forget it's 75 years since Arnhem on the 17th September.

Two British Veterans in their 90's also parachuted in, and all the allied veterans were wondeful to see, as they paid their respects to their friends who never returned.

D-day veterans in their 90s parachute into Normandy once more - The Guardian


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Old 06-08-2019, 04:38 AM
 
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The point is they fought for what is almost universally recognized as a noble cause unlike our soldiers today. The greatest generation gets that name solely due to the recognition they were fighting for a noble cause.
I guess fighting Communism was not a noble cause for some. Sad.
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Old 06-08-2019, 04:43 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Korea: 3 years, but actually Trump just signed the peace deal.
Mr. Trump has no peace deal with North Korea. Yes, relations have been opened, and so far, are friendly; but Mr. Trump cannot "sign a peace deal" with North Korea.

Why? Because the Korean War--which is still ongoing, just under a ceasefire--is, and has always been, a UN action. It is most emphatically not a US action, though, in fairness, the US has the most troops there (with perhaps, the exception of the South Koreans). Mr. Trump might recommend to allies who also have troops on the Korean DMZ and/or are part of the UN forces in attendance on the DMZ, and who participate in conferences with North Korea on the DMZ, that they accept any peace deal he proposes, but he cannot force them to. He will have to "sell" the UN on his ideas before we can see an official peace deal in the Korean War.

Edited to add: Well done, Paratrooper Rice! All Americans should be proud of your jump 75 years later!
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Old 06-08-2019, 06:01 AM
 
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The point is they fought for what is almost universally recognized as a noble cause unlike our soldiers today. The greatest generation gets that name solely due to the recognition they were fighting for a noble cause.
I don't disagree with you BUT, A "noble cause" is in no way "A LUXURY" as was claimed.
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Old 06-08-2019, 06:07 AM
 
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One of Trump’s finer moments. Good speech.

There are actually MORE men & women than ever that have the noblesse oblige to take up the call to be brave. They’re just waiting for the opportunity. They want to be asked to spring into action. But the cause has to be just.


You’re being remarkably picayune.


Lol...that poster just doesn’t understand English too well.
"You’re being remarkably picayune."

"pic·a·yune

/ˌpikəˈyo͞on/ Learn to pronounce

North American
adjective
adjective: picayune

1.
informal
petty; worthless."

"lux·u·ry
noun: luxury

1.
the state of great comfort and extravagant living.
"he lived a life of luxury"

opulence, luxuriousness, sumptuousness, richness, costliness, grandeur, grandness, splendor, magnificence, lavishness, lap of luxury, bed of roses, milk and honey;"

I'll let others posters decide WHO is Petty and who is saying dying for your country is a luxury because you sure as hell don't know!
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Old 06-08-2019, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I disagree. We have PLENTY of Americans like that.

The Greatest Generation had the luxury of being called to serve a noble cause. We’ve had no noble causes since then. Everything since WW2 that we’ve called on young people to undertake have been disasters of our own making.

We sent young Americans to go save the world in 1941. Nowadays, we ask them to save American monied interests worldwide, and then have the nerve to be upset at their cynicism.

If the cause is just, another “Great Generation” will heed the call just like their great great grandparents did, and they’ll do fine. And if the Americans left back home are asked to sacrifice our comforts to pitch in, they’ll do it. But you’ve gotta ask.

we have some, of course but for the most part we do not. The past few generations have become "it is all about me" They haven't had the upbringing kids had 70 plus years ago: they have not had the love of God and family instilled in them, nor the love of country. I am not say "all" but way too many. Part or the problem is with the interpretation of "free speech"
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Old 06-08-2019, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Mueller and McCain are / were like that, and the conservative patriotism whores don't hesitate to crap all over their combat experiences when it suits their agenda. Tells you how much they really care about ideals of patriotism and service when it comes down to it.
and comments like you just made explains my response just above this one. BTW McCain was a hero in most of our books for what he went though, but there is another side of the story. I will not go into it right now, but I have personal knowledge that he wasn't the angel some would like to think he was.
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Old 06-08-2019, 07:10 AM
 
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1-1/2 years, in two theaters, with declared WAR.... Your buddies ain't got crap on those `ol timers
compared to:
Korea: 3 years, but actually Trump just signed the peace deal
Vietnam: lasted 19-1/2 years
Afghanistan: 18 years


Yes, the Greatest "kick ass & take names" Generation.
What peace deal?
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