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Old 06-18-2019, 09:40 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Or don't stray into Iranian waters, or on their soil.

Right of passage should always be defended. Once you capitulate that battle it is over.

We should concentrate on protecting shipping through the Strait of Hormuz. Ground action would be a mess with our people trying to separate friendly and enemy forces. The latter is embedded in the general population in Iraq and can mount offensive operations whenever they wish and Iran can just deny any involvement.


If they get stupid in the Strait at least we would be engaging Iran out in the open head to head. That would not work out well for the Iranians. The sea is our friend. Posturing ground forces defensively in Iraq is just begging for trouble. Just another quagmire. And there's just no need to commit ground troops to any incursion into Iran proper.


Such operations would require a serious build up of forces which we can ill afford to do. One issue with the Strait is that Iran claims it as territorial waters. Sort of like Khadaffi did in the Med back in the 80s. OK, well lets see them enforce that. Just protect right of passage and let our Navy do what it does.Iran will have to come off as the aggressor which will not go well for them.


We should move our ground forces back and out of the fray. If the Iranians have to come out into the open that puts our forces on a tenable footing. The best place to do that is at open sea.
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Old 06-18-2019, 11:47 AM
 
Location: San Jose
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Agreed, nearly every decision we have made in the ME has come back bite us.

1. Giving Iraq weapons to fight Iran
2. Arming the Taliban to resist Russia in Afghanistan
3. Giving Iran a nuclear reactor in 1967
4. Installing the Shah of Iran as a puppet of the CIA against the will of the people
5. Invading Iraq to remove the non-threat Saddam, opening the door for disaffected Sunnis to form ISIS
6. Declaring a red line in the Syria war then failing to enforce it, allowing Russia to take over the situation

These failures have been under both D and R presidents.

The US as a rule makes terrible decisions when it comes to the ME.
This presumes that America's intentions in the region have been done in goodwill. Its actually quite the opposite. After WW2 Arab nationalism surged and the various Arab nations begin entertaining the idea of unifying into one united secular country. Had this happened it would have created a new world power that would have challenge the bipolar power balance of the US and the USSR. Thus America's underlying goal in the Middle East has been to sew chaos whenever possible and to thus insure nobody in the region acquires to much influence. When the Iranians depict America as being "The Great Satan" there is degree of actually to it. Satan signifies "chaos" and that is what America has been doing in the Middle East since the start of the post war period.
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Old 06-18-2019, 12:40 PM
 
Location: The end of the world
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If you read the reports people.

1. It is not clear where the torpedoes came from.
2. Remember Gulf of Tonka Incident
3. Obama sealed the problem and DT team reopen the problem.
4. Remember more US troops died then any other causalities. Only people who benefited was Zionist Israel ( local Dollar Tree owners ) and couple of fat-cats ( like the actor from "Bull" ) who spend there time screwing your daughters who are in college and do not have any real income.
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:03 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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If you read the reports people.

1. It is not clear where the torpedoes came from.
2. Remember Gulf of Tonka Incident
3. Obama sealed the problem and DT team reopen the problem.
4. Remember more US troops died then any other causalities. Only people who benefited was Zionist Israel ( local Dollar Tree owners ) and couple of fat-cats ( like the actor from "Bull" ) who spend there time screwing your daughters who are in college and do not have any real income.

This incident did not involve torpedoes. It was Limpet mines. The Gulf of Tonkin? This has no resemblance to USS Maddox. Obama didn't seal any problems and Iran never has or did they ever intend to abide by that agreement. They took the money and laughed all the way to the bank. And, where has Israel benefited and where have US troops died? No US personnel died in the Gulf of Tonkin incident if that's what you're talking about and there was zero Israeli involvement in that.


This is a confusing post. You're all over the map and wrap up with anti Semitism. I'm having trouble making any sense out of this.
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:07 AM
 
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Bring all US troops back to US soil, and the "threat" is mostly gone.
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:23 AM
 
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Dang. Imminent just doesn't mean what it used to I guess.
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:23 AM
 
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U.S. General: American troops face imminent threat from Iran


Here's an idea ... how about we get American troops out of harms way and let the Saudi's deal with Iran mano-a-mano ? Shiites and Sunnis have been in hot wars and cold wars for essentially more than 1,000 years and there is no resolution in sight. Why is this our problem?
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:25 AM
 
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U.S. General: American troops face imminent threat from Iran


Here's an idea ... how about we get American troops out of harms way and let the Saudi's deal with Iran mano-a-mano ? Shiites and Sunnis have been in hot wars and cold wars for essentially more than 1,000 years and there is no resolution in sight. Why is this our problem?
Globalism.
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Southern Nevada
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In hindsight, Iraq was a mistake but you had Saddam yapping about his WMD's and that could not be taken lightly. He was butchering his own people and had to be taken out, but it did cause instability in the region. There was no easy solution.

Iran is a little different in that they are attacking oil tankers coming through the Straights of Hormuz. Our troops are there to protect American interests and nobody wants a war, especially the President. The mullahs don't want a war either, but they love to talk tough. The sanctions against Iran are choking them, but they're resistant to go along with the program and are getting what they deserve.

Obama was a fool to believe that giving them $1.5 billion would buy their cooperation.
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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This incident did not involve torpedoes. It was Limpet mines. The Gulf of Tonkin? This has no resemblance to USS Maddox. Obama didn't seal any problems and Iran never has or did they ever intend to abide by that agreement. They took the money and laughed all the way to the bank. And, where has Israel benefited and where have US troops died? No US personnel died in the Gulf of Tonkin incident if that's what you're talking about and there was zero Israeli involvement in that.


This is a confusing post. You're all over the map and wrap up with anti Semitism. I'm having trouble making any sense out of this.
Iran was in compliance with the agreement that we created and later backed out, inspections are still taking place. Israel claimed that Iran was a few months away from nuclear capability in the 1990's, this is the country we rely on for intelligence. Saudi Arabia, UAE and Israel are begging for a fight, let them have at it.


So what exactly would be our bargaining position with Iran, trust us this time we will abide by our agreement.
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