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Old 06-07-2019, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Did you agree with the Bush Administrationís push to war in Iraq? Or were you vociferously opposed to the invasion?
Bush lied to Congress in order to sell the war, and they bought it assuming Bush was being honest. With Trump there is no such assumption, so I doubt he will succeed in lying US into another war. He knows it, and won't even bother asking Congress. He will fabricate an incident in order to justify the violence.

As a matter of fact with Trump people will assume he is lying even if he was telling the truth, which is what happens with people who lie so frequently.
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Old 06-07-2019, 06:28 AM
 
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Bush lied to Congress in order to sell the war, and they bought it assuming Bush was being honest. With Trump there is no such assumption, so I doubt he will succeed in lying US into another war. He knows it, and won't even bother asking Congress. He will fabricate an incident in order to justify the violence.

As a matter of fact with Trump people will assume he is lying even if he was telling the truth, which is what happens with people who lie so frequently.
And that we have been lied into wars so frequently.
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Old 06-07-2019, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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So they killed the deal that addressed nuclear capability and now they are concerned. Why is it so difficult to indicate the specific threat.


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It is worth remembering, however, that Netanyahu has said much of this before. Almost two decades ago, in 1996, Netanyahu addressed a joint session of Congress where he darkly warned, “If Iran were to acquire nuclear weapons, this could presage catastrophic consequences, not only for my country, and not only for the Middle East, but for all mankind,” adding that, “the deadline for attaining this goal is getting extremely close.”
https://theintercept.com/2015/03/02/...-nuclear-bomb/
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Old 06-07-2019, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Florida
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And that we have been lied into wars so frequently.
Afghanistan was factually correct, and I supported Bush decision to invade. Taliban was hosting Al Qaeda in their country, and they were training to kill more Americans. Of course now we know it turned out to be an unwinnable war. Might as well call it a draw and go home. Actually, Taliban has been getting stronger there in past few years, to the decision will be to either send more troops, or get out.

Iraq, in the other hand was a massive mistake and totally based on lies.
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Old 06-07-2019, 06:39 AM
 
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Afghanistan was factually correct. Taliban was hosting Al Qaeda in their country, and they were training to kill more Americans. Of course now we know it turned out to be an unwinnable war. Might as well call it a draw and go home. Actually, Taliban has been getting stronger there in past few years, to the decision will be to either send more troops, or get out.
No, the Taliban was not hosting Al Qaeda. That's like saying Pakistan was and we didn't invade them. Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan but there was little to nothing the Taliban could do about it.

To back this point.........18 years with no end in site. We didn't invade Pakistan.

Syria, Libya and Yemen was a mistake based upon lies also.
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Old 06-07-2019, 06:45 AM
 
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No, the Taliban was not hosting Al Qaeda. That's like saying Pakistan was and we didn't invade them. Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan but there was little to nothing the Taliban could do about it.

To back this point.........18 years with no end in site. We didn't invade Pakistan.

Syria, Libya and Yemen was a mistake based upon lies also.
Afghanistan did host Al Qaeda. Even Bin Laden resided in Afghanistan until escaping to Pakistan.

What do you mean there was nothing Taliban could have done about it? They could have taken them out in a week.
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Old 06-07-2019, 06:52 AM
 
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Afghanistan did host Al Qaeda. Even Bin Laden resided in Afghanistan until escaping to Pakistan.

What do you mean there was nothing Taliban could have done about it? They could have taken them out in a week.
No they couldn't have.

ďI donít think that the Taliban loves Al Qaeda. But it does not necessarily mean that they can easily control them,Ē one expert warned.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/9...up-has-n946011

They still can't. Why didn't we attack Pakistan?
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Old 06-07-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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I respect, and support the U.S. military. However, I believe a lot of their leadership is in bed with Defense Contractors and like to say the Sky is Falling at times. This has happened throughout modern history. The USSR was the old boogeyman and now we don't have them as much to use as a reason for defense spending. Who fills the void? Terrorists, and terror sponsoring countries like Iran.

Statements like these need to be thoroughly vetted by the intelligence community, and knowledgeable advisors within the Administration before we go off "half cocked".
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Old 06-07-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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No they couldn't have.

“I don’t think that the Taliban loves Al Qaeda. But it does not necessarily mean that they can easily control them,” one expert warned.
Yes they could have. They had them outnumbered 1000 to 1. Heck they kicked Russians out, so why not few camps of Al Qaeda. Did you know arabs like Bin Laden fought side by side with the Taliban? They were called the 055 Brigade. Heck, Taliban helped construct the Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan.


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They still can't. Why didn't we attack Pakistan?
Why would they? They fight a common enemy.

Us not attacking Pakistan seems obvious. Massive casualties, nukes, etc Also, Pakistan agreed to stop supporting Taliban after 2001, so unlike Afghanistan, they complied with our requests / demands.

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Old 06-07-2019, 07:16 AM
 
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Yes they could have. They had them outnumbered 1000 to 1. Heck they kicked Russians out, so why not few camps of Al Qaeda. Did you know arabs like Bib Laden fought side by side with the Taliban? They were called the 055 Brigade. Heck, Taliban helped construct the Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan.
Bin Laden fought for us.


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Why would they? They fight a common enemy.

Us not attacking Pakistan seems obvious. Massive casualties, nukes, etc Also, Pakistan agreed to stop supporting Taliban after 2001, so unlike Afghanistan, they complied with our requests / demands.
Pakistan is no different than Afghanistan outside of taking more of our money directly.
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