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Old 06-07-2019, 07:12 PM
 
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I thought he was against Science?

Just yesterday a "conservative" here told me the reason only 8% of Scientists ID as Republicans is that Republicans don't support them with money (what Trump is talking about)....

My head is spinning. Remember when Repubs called Kerry a "Waffler" for one or two issues which he changed his stance on. It appears that is bad bad bad bad, but if you change you mind on 150 issues, that is cool. That is a stable genius learning as he goes.

 
Old 06-07-2019, 07:15 PM
 
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Originally Posted by USMC1984 View Post
If you can't understand his tweet then you are completely ignorant or just being excessively obtuse!


As I pointed out...







Only a complete idiot could read that as him saying the Moon was a part of Mars...
The way he structures it introduces the confusion. As far as parentheses go:

"Whatever the function of your parenthetical text, be sure to place it as close as possible to the word or words that it is supplementing, citing, abbreviating, translating, exemplifying, defining, or restating."

https://writingcommons.org/using-parentheses

By placing it near Mars instead of bigger things, it is more natural to read it as referring to Mars instead of bigger things.

Do I think he literally thinks that? No. But it is definitely poorly structured for conveying what he means, if it is indeed what you describe.
 
Old 06-07-2019, 07:21 PM
 
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Huh. Looks like Neil Cavuto on Fox News was talking about this an hour before this random tweet showed up.

https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status...191605761?s=19
 
Old 06-07-2019, 07:52 PM
 
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Even though I'm not a fan of Trump, I think he just worded it really poorly, I doubt he would honestly believe that the Moon is a part of Mars. Either that, or The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress and we're better off just bypassing it and going to Mars.
 
Old 06-07-2019, 08:11 PM
 
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SpaceX Has a Bold Timeline for Getting to Mars and Starting a Colony

If SpaceX has sent the two cargo ships by this stage, the next step will be the manned mission.
The plan is to send two cargo ships, alongside two crew ships taking the first people to Mars.
They will be tasked with setting up a propellant production plant, combining Martian water,
ice, and carbon dioxide to create methane and liquid oxygen to fuel the ships and come back
home. The humans would be tasked with collecting one tonne of ice every day to fuel the plant.
Seeing as we know there's ice on Mars, that seems a little different from "hoping". But OK.
 
Old 06-07-2019, 08:20 PM
 
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NASA hasn’t accomplished anything since they turned it into politics first.
In a sense. Once Congress (looking at you, Senator Shelby) decided to use NASA as a pork distribution mechanism that might or might not build the occasional rocket, they stagnated. The Shuttle sounded the death knell over NASA as an innovative agency in the area of propulsion. Look at what they're Kerbaling together from the Shuttle parts bin now, FFS.

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Old 06-07-2019, 08:25 PM
 
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He is talking about the space program -- moon and Mars are both part of it.
Second explanation -- different than the first.
 
Old 06-07-2019, 08:28 PM
 
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NASA hasnít accomplished anything since they turned it into politics first.
What?
 
Old 06-07-2019, 08:36 PM
 
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Over on twitter the spin is spinning.

Everyone giving their version of what he means.

Trump -- the great communicator - lol.
 
Old 06-07-2019, 08:50 PM
 
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This is a rare moment when I'll actually defend Trump. What he means is that a manned-mission to mars would require a base on the moon to launch from.

With that said, this is pure science fiction at this point.



It is easy to make fun of Trump but what many people do not understand what he means is what you said.


Going back to moon by itself should not be the sole objective, Moon has to be a planned stop on the way to Mars.


Mars is a 9 month journey one way. The huge spaceship needed for a direct flight that can carry humans will be too bit too heavy to take off and fly directly from Earth. An easier way would be to establish a moon base and build the spaceship there and take off from there since moon's gravity is 1/6 of earth's and escape velocity will be less from there. But this is still a bit of science fiction at this point.



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