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Old 06-08-2019, 08:34 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Just imagine how many more there will be if all the Republican state abortion bans are allowed to remain law.
The orphanages will be full and the state taxpayer will be poor. But this is what the already poor, red states seem to want.
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Old 06-08-2019, 08:35 AM
 
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If a couple/woman is on Medicaid they should not be having children. Being on Medicaid means you cannot afford to pay for your own health care. And then they bring a new person into that situation, making it so much worse.
Republican politicians want them to have the babies though, because they are banning abortion. Some of these poor women realize they should not have children but the Republicans want more Medicaid babies and took the choice away from the woman.
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Old 06-08-2019, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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Adam Smith was advocating for a flat tax. Everyone pays the same tax rate. Naturally, those of greater abilities and therefore greater income pay more as a result of their higher income being subject to taxation. I, too, am all for a flat tax. The rich would pay WAY more for access to the exact same government services as the poor, who pay little to nothing but get the same access to services/benefits anyway.
And those "rich people" ought to keep in mind that they, too, could find themselves in the same position as the folks on Medicaid. And they would be glad to have the solid safety net that other developed nations extend to their populace.
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Old 06-08-2019, 08:53 AM
 
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Republican politicians want them to have the babies though, because they are banning abortion. Some of these poor women realize they should not have children but the Republicans want more Medicaid babies and took the choice away from the woman.
It makes no sense. They refuse to fund free/low cost birth control, legislate abstinence only sex education and ban abortion, but whine loudly when Medicaid (aka “their tax dollars”) have to pay for the birth.
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Old 06-08-2019, 08:54 AM
 
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And those "rich people" ought to keep in mind that they, too, could find themselves in the same position as the folks on Medicaid. And they would be glad to have the solid safety net that other developed nations extend to their populace.
That's what makes a flat tax rate fair. Everyone pays the same tax rate, rich or poor. Guess who will be paying WAY more than anyone else for access to the exact same services/benefits?

In regards to how other developed nations fund their "solid safety nets"... Take a look at the national effective tax rate the average earner pays in EU-28 countries (2nd column from the right, on page 9): http://www.institutmolinari.org/IMG/...en-eu-2017.pdf

Then ask yourself if the average earner in the US would agree to pay that high of a federal tax rate in exchange for having that "solid safety net."

TANSTAAFL. Period.
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Old 06-08-2019, 09:45 AM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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https://www.healthcarefinancenews.co...anced-medicaid

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...r-may-n1014186

Wow, going down-hill quickly for sure. It will be interesting to see how much of a disaster area many cities are going turn into in the next decade.

Based on the trends, many liberal cities will turn into a disaster that few can fathom now. Skid Row in LA in 2019 is like a tiny taste of what is coming to liberal Medicaid and Migrant baby factory cities.

I am planning to move to a very rural, very conservative part of America soon because the trends aren't looking good.
You do that. I hear that Alabama is lovely in the summer.
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Old 06-08-2019, 09:52 AM
 
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That's what makes a flat tax rate fair. Everyone pays the same tax rate, rich or poor. Guess who will be paying WAY more than anyone else for access to the exact same services/benefits?

In regards to how other developed nations fund their "solid safety nets"... Take a look at the national effective tax rate the average earner pays in EU-28 countries (2nd column from the right, on page 9): http://www.institutmolinari.org/IMG/...en-eu-2017.pdf

Then ask yourself if the average earner in the US would agree to pay that high of a federal tax rate in exchange for having that "solid safety net."

TANSTAAFL. Period.
^APOSTLE/MISSIONARY/TOO MUCH HEINLEIN type Libertarian^

Lefty Cartoons Blog Archive The 24 Types of Libertarian
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Old 06-08-2019, 10:19 AM
 
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Does everyone have the same values? Yes, but libertarianism isn’t one of them.

It might seem like humanity disagrees over basic values, but the data is in: we actually don't.

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Is conflict humanity's natural state? Could we ever agree on a set of values? The knee-jerk response for any student of history would be 'no', but the data tells a different story. Psychologist and author Steven Pinker offers proof in the form of Wagner's law: "One development that people both on the Left and the Right are unaware of is almost an inexorable force that leads affluent societies to devote increasing amounts of their wealth to social spending, to redistribution to children, to education, to healthcare, to supporting the poor, to supporting the aged."

Until the 20th century, most societies devoted about 1.5% of their GDP to social spending, and generally much less than that. In the last 100 years, that's changed: today the current global median of social spending is 22% of GDP. One group will groan most audibly at that data: Libertarians. However, Pinker says it's no coincidence that there are zero libertarian countries on Earth; social spending is a shared value, even if the truest libertarians protest it, as the free market has no way to provide for poor children, the elderly, and other members of society who cannot contribute to the marketplace. As countries develop, they naturally initiate social spending programs. That's why libertarianism is a marginal idea, rather than a universal value—and it's likely to stay that way. Steven Pinker is the author of Enlightenment Now: The Case for Reason, Science, Humanism, and Progress.
Why There Are No Libertarian Countries

https://bigthink.com
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Old 06-08-2019, 10:21 AM
 
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And those "rich people" ought to keep in mind that they, too, could find themselves in the same position as the folks on Medicaid. And they would be glad to have the solid safety net that other developed nations extend to their populace.
There's a difference between falling into the safety net, and deciding to have a baby when you're already down there.
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Old 06-08-2019, 10:44 AM
 
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^APOSTLE/MISSIONARY/TOO MUCH HEINLEIN type Libertarian^

Lefty Cartoons Blog Archive The 24 Types of Libertarian
Yes, that accurately describes your response: petulant, etc... but it doesn't answer the question...

In regards to how other developed nations fund their "solid safety nets"... Take a look at the national effective tax rate the average earner pays in EU-28 countries (2nd column from the right, on page 9): http://www.institutmolinari.org/IMG/...en-eu-2017.pdf

Then ask yourself if the average earner in the US (average household income: $59,000) would agree to pay that high of a federal tax rate (45%, on average) in exchange for having that "solid safety net."

TANSTAAFL. Period.
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