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Old 06-10-2019, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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They were five teens between the ages of 15 and 18. I think they should describe them and name them - they're a menace to society.

One woman had a broken jaw, the other had a broken nose and black eye. I suppose since acid wasn't thrown in their faces, these are considered "minor injuries" in the U.K.
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Old 06-11-2019, 01:44 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Those women should have been allowed to legally be armed to defend themselves from thugs like these. If they knew those women would potentially be armed they wouldn't do stuff like this.
Yes that's just what we needed, the two women to pull out their guns, the kids to pull out theirs, a good old fashioned 'gun fight' on a London bus...........what could possibly go wrong? Perhaps the police could have turned up and started a shooting too , I'm sure only a few 'bad guys/kids' would have gotten murdered - no biggie. Seriously, no wonder so many thousands of Americans are shooting each other to death every year!
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Old 06-11-2019, 01:51 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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It's not the race card, it is statistical fact. Yet you have to resort to the race card because you don't like the truth. Strip away suicides, and Black on Black violence where a gun is used and you have a statistically insignificant number of death by a PERSON using a gun in the U.S. Maybe a few thousand in a country of 330 MILLION.
No you don't! Doesn't matter how you try and 'dress it up' the amount of people shot to death in the USA is HUGE, MASSIVE! There are around 70(ish) people shot to death in the UK every year AND THAT INCLUDES INNER CITY GANGS, there are around 30'000-35'000 (yes that's THOUSANDS) of people shot to death every year in the US, I partly blame 'Hollywood' for glamourising guns, there are thousands of people in the US that 'think' they are John Wayne or James Bond and that they would be some kind of 'superhero' if the situation arose - the reality is of course quite different.
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Old 06-11-2019, 02:31 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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They were five teens between the ages of 15 and 18. I think they should describe them and name them - they're a menace to society.

One woman had a broken jaw, the other had a broken nose and black eye. I suppose since acid wasn't thrown in their faces, these are considered "minor injuries" in the U.K.
Hang on just a minute, it's up to the Court to decide on naming people under 18, and as already explained the case will be reffered from the Magistrates to the Crown Court.

It's also up to the Magistrates, in terms of further bail or to remand them in custody.

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If this happened on American soil, each of the attacking thugs should be convicted and serve at least 7.5-10 years for attacking those 2 women.
They face a maximum five years each in prison relating to Section 20 Grevious Bodily Harm and further 4 years in prison for street robbery with violence, that's nine years, and there is a duty on the Courts to give them a very long sentence under Section 146 of the Criminal Justice Act 2003, in relation to crimes aggravated by hostility towards sexual orientation or transgender identity.

"The law in England & Wales imposes a general duty on criminal courts, when sentencing an offender, to treat more seriously any offence which can be shown to be aggravated by hostility towards sexual orientation or transgender identity (Section 146 Criminal Justice Act 2003). Prosecutors have a duty to present all relevant material to allow the court to pass sentence in accordance with the law. Hostility towards sexual orientation or transgender identity makes an offence more serious and the court has a duty to take this into account when it sentences a defendant".

There sentences will depend on their role in the assault, and aggravating and mitagating circumstances, however they can expect lengthy sentences given that s146 can be applied in terms of sentencing.

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Old 06-11-2019, 02:58 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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If this happened on American soil, each of the attacking thugs should be convicted and serve at least 7.5-10 years for attacking those 2 women.
But it did not happen on American soil.

Let' just go with what the English court said, okay?
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Old 06-11-2019, 10:13 AM
 
Location: USA
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No you don't! Doesn't matter how you try and 'dress it up' the amount of people shot to death in the USA is HUGE, MASSIVE! There are around 70(ish) people shot to death in the UK every year AND THAT INCLUDES INNER CITY GANGS, there are around 30'000-35'000 (yes that's THOUSANDS) of people shot to death every year in the US, I partly blame 'Hollywood' for glamourising guns, there are thousands of people in the US that 'think' they are John Wayne or James Bond and that they would be some kind of 'superhero' if the situation arose - the reality is of course quite different.
Over 60% of deaths by a person using a gun are SUICIDES. The rest is largely Black on Black gang violence. You are clueless. From the U.S. Center for Disease Control.

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Firearm suicides
Number of deaths: 22,938

Deaths per 100,000 population: 7.1

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm
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Old 06-11-2019, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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They were five teens between the ages of 15 and 18. I think they should describe them and name them - they're a menace to society.

One woman had a broken jaw, the other had a broken nose and black eye. I suppose since acid wasn't thrown in their faces, these are considered "minor injuries" in the U.K.

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Hang on just a minute, it's up to the Court to decide on naming people under 18, and as already explained the case will be reffered from the Magistrates to the Crown Court.

It's also up to the Magistrates, in terms of further bail or to remand them in custody.
"Should" as in 'it would serve them right' or 'they deserve nothing less'. I wasn't speaking in terms of what the legal process is.
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Old 06-11-2019, 06:10 PM
 
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And someone we still don't have a name or mugshot of the 18 year old.

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Old 06-11-2019, 06:19 PM
 
Location: California
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In fairness, there is indeed a conspiracy in many of these cases. I cannot speak for the Brits but in the US, possibly because for a long time our press was constantly pushing minority crime which created unfair perceptions, there is a swing the other way.

We had a thread about this a year or two ago after a mob of young people attacked and robbed people on BART (I think) out around LA or San Fran and despite not having the youths identified they refused to release the video and cited "not wanting to incite stereotypes".

If you'd like another example, you know about the white ladies that did racist stuff like call the cops on a BBQ, but hey...you probably didn't know about the serial killer in Kansas City that was targeting white men >50 out walking?

So yeah, call it what you want I suppose but there is a definite organized bias in some media. (Just like if an illegal commits a bad crime you know it's going to be on FOX)

For a third example, CNN ran a very good article on the murder of trans men a month ago. They mentioned that it was especially black trans men that were ending up being murdered and cited the arrest of one preacher for the crime and showed his picture. All kinds of statistics on the attacks on trans men so um, wouldn't you expect some info on whom is attacking them? I sure did but nope, that glaring piece of information was left out and anybody that knows about that shameful overall situation knows whom those murders and assaults are being overwhelmingly committed by. However for those that didn't know CNN swept that right under the rug.
You are correct. Thugs and other perpetrators seem to only be identified and have photos broadcast all over when they are white. Iím guessing the mob on BART was predominantly black so canít go there as itís discriminatory.
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Old 06-11-2019, 07:52 PM
 
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There are a lot of people asking for pictures of the Juveniles, two thoughts on that.


1) Have we gotten so low that stupid Teens are now considered the measurement tool for assessing gun laws and immigration policy?


2) What are the laws in England regarding the release of information on Juveniles, are you all waiting for nothing? Do they release that information or have in the past. Just making sure you all are all waiting in vain because no one checked.
We already covered those points earlier in the thread.

The issue being debated is that if the press is intentionally witholding the information on the 18yo (not a minor in that country, posted earlier) because of "sensitivities", something that has occurred in the past in England and also occurs in the US on a regular basis.
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