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Old 06-11-2019, 10:01 PM
 
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Possibly, or the "Thugs" would have just shot them like they do here. For every hero story, there is tragic story to follow suit. The people of England believe a bloody nose is better than a bullet to the head. Its their choice and judging from the number of murders compared to ours, its working for them.

The potential to get shot in America while doing a crime is a real possibility, yet it does not seem to curb crime. We still have home break-ins in Texas, robberies in Oklahoma, hold up of stores in South Carolina, on and on and on. I am not sold on the idea that guns scare people out of doing crime, just forces the criminals to carry a gun too. Same argument with the death penalty, have yet to hear a serial killer stop killing to avoid the Death Penalty.


Now I firmly believe that if guns are available in your country then your should have one because in a way you are forced too. But if guns are not prevalent then the need to have one for personal use goes way down. Even in America we recognize that home defense is about matching potential threats that exist to your self / home. So in the USA we match gun vs gun, but if lasers were the issue then we would want personal lasers to defend against "bad guy" lasers. Its all relative.
I live in a state with very strict gun laws and not much of a gun culture, and it is safer/has lower crime than many states with looser gun laws - open and/or concealed carry, stand your ground laws, etc.

I really hate how people predictably come out of the woodwork every time a crime like this is in the news, saying "if only they had guns." Guns don't solve all the world's problems and deter crime. What if the perpetrators here also had guns in a guns for all society (or had illegal weapons if they could not legally obtain one)? What if they overpowered the women and took their guns?

What happened to these women is horrible. Whether or not they had guns is not the problem, answer, or solution. The people who did this to them are entitled pricks who thought they could force the women to do what they wanted them to do - kiss because they thought it would be hot. It's an attitude problem, a problem with the way they see the world and women, an entitlement problem, and it's homophobia, another major problem still in existence. Guns won't fix any of these issues these entitled disgusting men have. The issue isn't that the women didn't have guns, it is that a group of young men thought it would be okay to do this to them.

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Old 06-12-2019, 01:09 AM
 
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They were Muslims.

With that "mayor" that London has, if it wasn't a Muslim, his pic would be all over Yahoo, CNN and Google...

...and everybody f---ing knows it!
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Old 06-12-2019, 01:51 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Over 60% of deaths by a person using a gun are SUICIDES. The rest is largely Black on Black gang violence. You are clueless. From the U.S. Center for Disease Control.




https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm
I'm sorry but what difference does this make? Don't 'black people' count? Besides even 40% of the total is MASSIVE, HUGE, for a first world country its shameful! Perhaps if you don't count suicides, black people, people with blue eyes and anybody over 5 feet 9 inches it would help 'tweak' the numbers a bit more? Take away the suicides and 'black on black' gang violence from the figures in the UK and you are practically at ZERO!
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Old 06-12-2019, 01:54 AM
 
Location: USA
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I'm sorry but what difference does this make? Don't 'black people' count? Besides even 40% of the total is MASSIVE, HUGE, for a first world country its shameful! Take away the suicides and 'black on black' gang violence from the figures in the UK and you are practically at ZERO!
My point is that violent crime is mostly localized to inner cities, and our politicians allow it to happen. Stay out of ghettos, and you will never see a gun unless it is police or you go to a gun range. Stop inner city violence and the vast majority of violent crime goes away.
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Old 06-12-2019, 01:59 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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My point is that violent crime is mostly localized to inner cities, and our politicians allow it to happen. Stay out of ghettos, and you will never see a gun unless it is police or you go to a gun range. Stop inner city violence and the vast majority of violent crime goes away.
This isn't a problem you have in the UK, there are NO no go areas in English cities. Perhaps if you didn't have millions of gun wielding wanna be Rambo's 'over there' you wouldn't have 'no go' areas there either.
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Old 06-12-2019, 02:04 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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The issue isn't that the women didn't have guns, it is that a group of young men thought it would be okay to do this to them.
I think the issue is, that they didn't have a means to defend themselves.
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Old 06-12-2019, 02:52 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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"Should" as in 'it would serve them right' or 'they deserve nothing less'. I wasn't speaking in terms of what the legal process is.
They haven't been fund guilty of anything yet, and in terms of those under 18 it's at the courts discretion in terms of naming them.

They are normally named after being found guilty and during sentencing.

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They were Muslims.

With that "mayor" that London has, if it wasn't a Muslim, his pic would be all over Yahoo, CNN and Google...

...and everybody f---ing knows it!
There is nothing to suggest they were Muslim, and Camden is quite a bohemian tourist area.

As for revealing identities of under 18's, it's up to the Courts to decide, and interfering with cases or publishing pictures befor a court case can result in contempt of court.

The UK does this to prevent trial by media (and social media) in relation to on-going cases, however in some cases where children have murdered others, a anonymity applies and the media can not publish recent photos of them or there whereabouts on their release.

Camden Town - Wikipedia


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Old 06-12-2019, 07:17 AM
 
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I think the issue is, that they didn't have a means to defend themselves.
It was two women vs. multiple men. Even though most were teens, it’s not like they are children and it’s male on female (men are stronger than women), outnumbered. In a restricted space. It’s unlikely they could have successfully defended themselves in any way. Even if they did have a gun or other weapon, they were outnumbered and could have been overpowered and had their weapons taken.

Issues: male violence, homophobia, entitlement, etc.
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Old 06-12-2019, 08:10 AM
 
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Default Women attacked on bus in London

This story doesn’t add up. Who took the pic of them bleeding? Where are all the witnesses? No video? No description of those arrested? How is this classified as a homophobic attack. Some kids just want to watch girls kiss. I doubt they attacked them because they were gay.

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/woman...085540202.html
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Old 06-12-2019, 08:39 AM
 
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