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Old 06-08-2019, 09:11 PM
 
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Does anyone here remember George McGovern? He was the democrat who was trounced by Richard Nixon in 1972. This was less than two years before Nixon resigned in disgrace.

We democrats watch CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, and listen to NPR on the radio. We read the East coast and West coast newspapers. Some of the East coast newspapers are especially tough on Trump. Lets look at Donald Trump. He is the white people's champion. Many are under the delusion that he will bring back those jobs that could actually feed and house a family. What is true about him is that he is the first one to really end the Marshall plan. He recognizes that America is in competition with the rest of the world, and the treaties that have sped up the loss of good jobs in America must be repudiated.

Getting back to the title of this thread. There was an amusing cartoon in Playboy in late 72 or early 73 that has the caption at the bottom of the page which says "I can't understand why McGovern lost, everyone I know voted for him".

Is there reason to believe that we are in that McGovern Syndrome bubble now by expecting an overwhelming democratic victory? If so why?
Well, as to the "why," partly it's because the people we socialize with are likely to be in the same camp as we are.

But also, it's possibly the same problem that I've had all along: I just can't wrap my mind around the preference of all those people who disdain reputable news sources in favor of biased inflammatory stories, and I can't bring myself to acknowledge that there are so many millions of people willing to support a mean, lying, bigoted, ignorant, heartless, bullying con man.
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Old 06-08-2019, 10:14 PM
 
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Does anyone here remember George McGovern? He was the democrat who was trounced by Richard Nixon in 1972. This was less than two years before Nixon resigned in disgrace.

We democrats watch CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, and listen to NPR on the radio. We read the East coast and West coast newspapers. Some of the East coast newspapers are especially tough on Trump. Lets look at Donald Trump. He is the white people's champion. Many are under the delusion that he will bring back those jobs that could actually feed and house a family. What is true about him is that he is the first one to really end the Marshall plan. He recognizes that America is in competition with the rest of the world, and the treaties that have sped up the loss of good jobs in America must be repudiated.

Getting back to the title of this thread. There was an amusing cartoon in Playboy in late 72 or early 73 that has the caption at the bottom of the page which says "I can't understand why McGovern lost, everyone I know voted for him".

Is there reason to believe that we are in that McGovern Syndrome bubble now by expecting an overwhelming democratic victory? If so why?
The McGovern syndrome has been an operative factor in every election since his defeat. Only random confluences of societal behavior have allowed the election of do nothing cowards like Jimmy Carter and Barfy Obama.

As an interesting and tragic aside, McGovern’s daughter died an unseemly death by freezing to death after leaving a bar during a snowstorm in New England.
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Old 06-08-2019, 11:13 PM
 
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The GOP has been trying to attract non-white voters for the last several years. It was a priority for Priebus when he was RNC chair. He hired Juan Williams' kid to try to focus on just that.

It's a long slow process, but they have made surprising progress.
https://www.cnn.com/2013/01/18/opini...ity/index.html

I would not take for granted that Democrats will always get 80% of the non-white vote as they did under Obama.
Non-whites vote to take stuff from whites. There is no chance that non-whites will ever start voting for the party that whites vote for.
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Old 06-08-2019, 11:19 PM
 
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Well, as to the "why," partly it's because the people we socialize with are likely to be in the same camp as we are.

But also, it's possibly the same problem that I've had all along: I just can't wrap my mind around the preference of all those people who disdain reputable news sources in favor of biased inflammatory stories, and I can't bring myself to acknowledge that there are so many millions of people willing to support a mean, lying, bigoted, ignorant, heartless, bullying con man.
He doesn't hate us. It's that simple. He's not committed to using the government to hurt the people who produce the wealth the Leftists live off of. How could you not know this after all this time?

And your "reputable news sources" are deliberate liars. You're on another planet metaphorically if you haven't noticed that.
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Old 06-08-2019, 11:22 PM
 
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Well, as to the "why," partly it's because the people we socialize with are likely to be in the same camp as we are.

But also, it's possibly the same problem that I've had all along: I just can't wrap my mind around the preference of all those people who disdain reputable news sources in favor of biased inflammatory stories, and I can't bring myself to acknowledge that there are so many millions of people willing to support a mean, lying, bigoted, ignorant, heartless, bullying con man.
You may have underestimated how many people dislike Hillary and how much they dislike her........even a nuber of people who voted for her .

I didn't vote for either of them, but I think one thing Trump had going for him was that he isn't Hillary .
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Old 06-08-2019, 11:23 PM
 
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Yes, made the Watergate burglary even more ridiculous.
The last two years of Trump-persecuting should have suggested to you that the Nixon campaign had nothing to do with that burglary.
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Old 06-09-2019, 12:14 AM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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You may have underestimated how many people dislike Hillary and how much they dislike her........even a nuber of people who voted for her .

I didn't vote for either of them, but I think one thing Trump had going for him was that he isn't Hillary .
Trump isn't even a true Republican, which is another thing I believe that went in his favor. He campaigned on a "populist" platform, talking about issues that rang near & dear to many Americans: immigration, jobs, focusing on America first. One thing that has strongly divided him from many in his own party is the trade tariffs. Republicans are generally free traders, and they oppose tariffs ... but here comes Trump breaking the barriers and supporting them. In all reality, his campaign and many of his viewpoints reflect those of the Reform Party from the '90s/early 2000s rather than the GOP. Many people might have forgotten that Trump ran on the Reform ticket in the 2000 Presidential race, but was defeated by Pat Buchanan.
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Old 06-09-2019, 03:29 PM
 
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The last two years of Trump-persecuting should have suggested to you that the Nixon campaign had nothing to do with that burglary.
If you really believe that, there’s no use ever responding to your posts, because it’s evident that you’re beyond trying to have a reasonable conversation with.

I can say that, because the Watergate scandal has been researched thoroughly for nearly 50 years. If you refuse to accept what clearly is well documented factual history, there’s nothing anyone could say to you or present to you as evidence on any subject that you would ever accept if it doesn’t agree with your political point of view.

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Old 06-09-2019, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Houston
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There are two ways Democrats can lose this election.

1) They nominate someone too far left.

2) They nominate a moderate and the far left doesn’t come out on Election Day.

A good chance one of them will happen.
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Old 06-09-2019, 07:11 PM
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Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Those under 30 have always been overwhelmingly liberal. As they move to higher tax brackets and as the center moves left they become conservatives.
Very true. If you read Clarence Thomas's memoir, he was basically a left-wing radical black activist as a college student. He's probably the most conservative justice on the court now.
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